republicans, is this helping, or hurting your party

[MTK]

His death isn't justified at all in my eyes but I'll just leave it at that. And I do feel bad for him and his family.

[HughHog]

I'm a die-hard Repub, but I'll be the first to say that Bush-Cheney was epic fail and gave our party a bad name. Repub is the way to go because Dems are too myopic and naive, but like with every race/nationality, there are good and bad people in both parties.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by HughHog

I'm a die-hard Repub, but I'll be the first to say that Bush-Cheney was epic fail and gave our party a bad name. Repub is the way to go because Dems are too myopic and naive, but like with every race/nationality, there are good and bad people in both parties.

Oh my, big words for a diehard republican.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Oh my, big words for a diehard republican.

Yea us Republicans stick to easy words like learning what the meaning of "is" is.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Yea us Republicans stick to easy words like learning what the meaning of "is" is.

To be fair with Clinton, he just asked what Congress' meaning of 'is' was. Not what the meaning was.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by HughHog

I'm a die-hard Repub, but I'll be the first to say that Bush-Cheney was epic fail and gave our party a bad name. Repub is the way to go because Dems are too myopic and naive, but like with every race/nationality, there are good and bad people in both parties.

Finally! I can agree with a republican about something! I can't believe it!

But, how can your party be the way to go when it has a Disc Jockey leading it?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Miller101

Finally! I can agree with a republican about something! I can't believe it!

But, how can your party be the way to go when it has a Disc Jockey leading it?

First off it was the White house that started taking on Rush and their attempt to make him the spokes person of the party. He is not. Like Chenney or not I have the feeling that history will show he did what needed to be done after 9/11 like it or not. Sometimes someone has to do the dirty work.

[saden1]

This can not possibly be the best arguments by you lot. Your professional medical "expertise" notwithstanding mental illness onset is neither always instantaneous (it can progressively get worse) nor is always treatable (through medication and counseling). Granted, some might abuse the system by merely claiming they're suffering from mental illness when they are not but the prospect of abuse shouldn't preclude mental illness as a valid reason.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

This can not possibly be the best arguments by you lot. Your professional medical "expertise" notwithstanding mental illness onset is neither always instantaneous (it can progressively get worse) nor is always treatable (through medication and counseling). Granted, some might abuse the system by merely claiming they're suffering from mental illness when they are not but the prospect of abuse shouldn't preclude mental illness as a valid reason.

It never was a valid reason. A serious concern yes. But I think you have to downplay the seriousness of the late-term abortion to arrive at your conclusion. You previously compared life threatening propositions to postpartum depression; as serious a form as it comes, but still not quite the same thing nor the same reasoning.

I'm not trying to downplay anything here, but I think you need to re-assess.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It never was a valid reason. A serious concern yes. But I think you have to downplay the seriousness of the late-term abortion to arrive at your conclusion. You previously compared life threatening propositions to postpartum depression; as serious a form as it comes, but still not quite the same thing nor the same reasoning.

I'm not trying to downplay anything here, but I think you need to re-assess.

The left can come up with one excuse after another as to why its OK to have a late term abortion just like this doctor did time after time. Its like they don't even want to adress the nature of this procedure.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It never was a valid reason. A serious concern yes. But I think you have to downplay the seriousness of the late-term abortion to arrive at your conclusion. You previously compared life threatening propositions to postpartum depression; as serious a form as it comes, but still not quite the same thing nor the same reasoning.

I'm not trying to downplay anything here, but I think you need to re-assess.

If you are being serious you have failed miserably...totally...it's a disaster! I am neither downplaying nor up-playing anything but I do believe late term abortion due to mental illness is valid medical reason not because "I think it is" but because doctors think it is. You seem comfortable accusing me of downplaying late term abortion and yet even more comfortable dismissing its validity entirely for mental heath reasons. What exactly is the basis for your conclusion or are you simply relying on your morality?

This is terrible stuff man, really, and not well thought out. What if the mother is so f*cked up she commits suicide or wants to abort her own baby at home? Do you intend to lock suicidal pregnant women up in mental institutions or in jails?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

If you are being serious you have failed miserably...totally...it's a disaster! I am neither downplaying or up-playing anything but I do believe late term abortion is valid medical reason not because "I think it is" but because doctors think it is. You seem comfortable accusing me of downplaying late term abortion and yet even more comfortable dismissing validity entirely for mental heath reasons. What exactly is the basis for your conclusion or are you simply relying on your morality?

This is terrible stuff man, really, and not well thought out. What if the mother is so f*cked up she commits suicide or wants to abort her own baby at home? Do you intend to lock suicidal pregnant women up in mental institutions or in jails?

If doctors find its such an important issue then why is there only 2 left that still provide this much need procedure? Also your own link does not say the treatment for depression is late term abortion.


What is the treatment for depression during pregnancy?
If you feel you may be struggling with depression, the most important thing is to seek help. Talk with your health care provider about your symptoms and struggles. Your health care provider wants the healthiest choice for you and your baby and may discuss options with you for treatment. Treatment options for women who are pregnant can include:

Support groups
Private psychotherapy
Medication
Light therapy
If your symptoms are severe, your health care provider may want to prescribe medication immediately. There are medications that have been used during pregnancy without adverse affects. Discuss with your health care provider what he/she feels is safest for your baby but still beneficial to you.

If you do not feel comfortable talking with your health care provider about your feelings of depression, find someone else to talk with. The most important thing is that someone knows what you are dealing with and can try to help you. Never try to face depression alone. Your baby needs you to seek help and get treatment.

Last Updated: 10/2008

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[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If doctors find its such an important issue then why is there only 2 left that still provide this much need procedure? Also your own link does not say the treatment for depression is late term abortion.


What is the treatment for depression during pregnancy?
If you feel you may be struggling with depression, the most important thing is to seek help. Talk with your health care provider about your symptoms and struggles. Your health care provider wants the healthiest choice for you and your baby and may discuss options with you for treatment. Treatment options for women who are pregnant can include:

Support groups
Private psychotherapy
Medication
Light therapy
If your symptoms are severe, your health care provider may want to prescribe medication immediately. There are medications that have been used during pregnancy without adverse affects. Discuss with your health care provider what he/she feels is safest for your baby but still beneficial to you.

If you do not feel comfortable talking with your health care provider about your feelings of depression, find someone else to talk with. The most important thing is that someone knows what you are dealing with and can try to help you. Never try to face depression alone. Your baby needs you to seek help and get treatment.

Last Updated: 10/2008

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Everything is black and white.

[firstdown]

I love how when don't know how to answer something you come back with a comment like that.

[saden1]

It's a perfect response requiring little explanation. Why waste time seeing how you think depression is always treatable via non-abortion means? Abortion can be the treatment, this is obvious to me.