What Type of Head Coach Does This Team Need?

[JoeRedskin]

Don't get me wrong from the Russ Grimm comment, I think Zorn should get this year and unless he consistently demonstrates that he is completely inept, he should get a third year. So far, he seems to have progressed. He has adopted the shotgun and no-huddle more than originally planned and has gotten the ball moving.

The question is, can he now learn to manage a game "off script" (see GTripp's analysis of the offense) and make the hard choices to bench old reliables (Moss, Betts, Cartwright) for up and comers (Kelly, Mason/Aldridge, Thomas).

If he can do that over the course of this season, and IMHO, he should be back next year.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Do we need a hard-nosed disciplinarian who can keep everyone in check?



Discuss

The problem with a hard-nosed disciplinarian is that the Skins roster is full of high priced free agents. This can be a deadly combination. Efforts by coaches like that can easily backfire and cause the team to quit. It could work, but it could also have disastrous effects.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Coff

The problem with a hard-nosed disciplinarian is that the Skins roster is full of high priced free agents. This can be a deadly combination. Efforts by coaches like that can easily backfire and cause the team to quit. It could work, but it could also have disastrous effects.

If they arent preforming up to their contracts then they should go. yes we would be in cap hell for awhile but Cowher went through the same with Pittburgh and they built through the draft and it seemed to work out for the best.

[warriorzpath]

I agree with everyone that is saying Zorn should be the redskins head coach. And I think that snyder has matured enough to give him enough time. But for now, we all seem to be frustrated with the way the team's been performing. All of that starts with the head coach. And I don't think it's a matter of just fixing the red zone issues because if it's not the red zone issues then it's another issue.

To answer the question of this thread - the type of head coach that the redskins need is/was a young gibbs. Zorn is not as ready as gibbs because zorn didn't prepare like gibbs before becoming a head coach.

Zorn will probably need to block out all of the feedback from fans and the media and focus on what he needs to do in order to get this team to perform at a high level. Hopefully Zorn has a plan and the confidence in that plan to execute it.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I agree with everyone that is saying Zorn should be the redskins head coach. And I think that snyder has matured enough to give him enough time. But for now, we all seem to be frustrated with the way the team's been performing. All of that starts with the head coach. And I don't think it's a matter of just fixing the red zone issues because if it's not the red zone issues then it's another issue.

To answer the question of this thread - the type of head coach that the redskins need is/was a young gibbs. Zorn is not as ready as gibbs because zorn didn't prepare like gibbs before becoming a head coach.

Zorn will probably need to block out all of the feedback from fans and the media and focus on what he needs to do in order to get this team to perform at a high level. Hopefully Zorn has a plan and the confidence in that plan to execute it.

If an abject failure like Norv Turner can have a seven year run here in Washington with teams that more often than not showed very little promise, Jim Zorn deserves at least half that amount of time.

What's even more sad to note, if John Cooke had been successful in gaining control of the Redskins, Norv Turner may still be the coach. I vividly remember the words of his father Jack Cooke when he hired Norv, he said at the time Norv would be the last coach he was going to hire, and I'm sure he also at the time was hoping for a little longer life span.

Fans have been clamoring for coaches like Cower, Gruden, Shannahan and others. Cower had a twelve year run in Pittsburg with one SB trophy to show for his efforts. Would Mr. Snyders' impatient blanket spand that period of time without his coveted prize? Gruden's success in Tampa could be largely attributed to his predecessor Tony Dungy who had aready laid the foundation for his work. Shannahan was not the great coach once John Elway left the game.

Mind you, I'm certainly not knocking any of these very good coaches, what I am saying is that a HC must have time to build a solid program. The Redskins knew what they were getting in Zorn when they hired him , basically "on the job training" a coach with no prior coordinating experience at any level, therefore he deserves the benefit of the doubt. If they had higher expectations then they shouldn't have hired a coach so limited in scope. Given the proper time and support, it's my belief Zorn will become a proficient HC.

my rant is over, thanks for listning.....

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

If an abject failure like Norv Turner can have a seven year run here in Washington with teams that more often than not showed very little promise, Jim Zorn deserves at least half that amount of time.

What's even more sad to note, if John Cooke had been successful in gaining control of the Redskins, Norv Turner may still be the coach. I vividly remember the words of his father Jack Cooke when he hired Norv, he said at the time Norv would be the last coach he was going to hire, and I'm sure he also at the time was hoping for a little longer life span.

Fans have been clamoring for coaches like Cower, Gruden, Shannahan and others. Cower had a twelve year run in Pittsburg with one SB trophy to show for his efforts. Would Mr. Snyders' impatient blanket spand that period of time without his coveted prize? Gruden's success in Tampa could be largely attributed to his predecessor Tony Dungy who had aready laid the foundation for his work. Shannahan was not the great coach once John Elway left the game.

Mind you, I'm certainly not knocking any of these very good coaches, what I am saying is that a HC must have time to build a solid program. The Redskins knew what they were getting in Zorn when they hired him , basically "on the job training" a coach with no prior coordinating experience at any level, therefore he deserves the benefit of the doubt. If they had higher expectations then they shouldn't have hired a coach so limited in scope. Given the proper time and support, it's my belief Zorn will become a proficient HC.

my rant is over, thanks for listning.....

True but the Steelers were not a good team when Cowher got there and he was taking them to the playoffs, how many AFC Champ games were they in during his tenure? Gruden won the SB with Tampa but he built up oakland before he was traded to the Bucs. Dungy built up Tampa from a laughing stock to a feared team. Shanahan, yeah he had a great QB and that helped him alot so its hard to get a good grade on how he would do now.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

True but the Steelers were not a good team when Cowher got there and he was taking them to the playoffs, how many AFC Champ games were they in during his tenure? Gruden won the SB with Tampa but he built up oakland before he was traded to the Bucs. Dungy built up Tampa from a laughing stock to a feared team. Shanahan, yeah he had a great QB and that helped him alot so its hard to get a good grade on how he would do now.

You're right about Cower and I wanted to include that important fact in my post. Cower was always on the cusp of winning it all for many of those twelve years. Some think that for a good portion of that stretch he stuck with Cordell Stewart too long. Thanks for raising the issue.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

If an abject failure like Norv Turner can have a seven year run here in Washington with teams that more often than not showed very little promise, Jim Zorn deserves at least half that amount of time.

What's even more sad to note, if John Cooke had been successful in gaining control of the Redskins, Norv Turner may still be the coach. I vividly remember the words of his father Jack Cooke when he hired Norv, he said at the time Norv would be the last coach he was going to hire, and I'm sure he also at the time was hoping for a little longer life span.

Fans have been clamoring for coaches like Cower, Gruden, Shannahan and others. Cower had a twelve year run in Pittsburg with one SB trophy to show for his efforts. Would Mr. Snyders' impatient blanket spand that period of time without his coveted prize? Gruden's success in Tampa could be largely attributed to his predecessor Tony Dungy who had aready laid the foundation for his work. Shannahan was not the great coach once John Elway left the game.

Mind you, I'm certainly not knocking any of these very good coaches, what I am saying is that a HC must have time to build a solid program. The Redskins knew what they were getting in Zorn when they hired him , basically "on the job training" a coach with no prior coordinating experience at any level, therefore he deserves the benefit of the doubt. If they had higher expectations then they shouldn't have hired a coach so limited in scope. Given the proper time and support, it's my belief Zorn will become a proficient HC.

my rant is over, thanks for listning.....

Good post...it's funny how many people bitch about Snyder and Cerrato, yet they have the following reactions:

- They want to bring in any offensive lineman from free agency without giving a chance to one of the young players we've been developing (and building through the draft)

- They wanted to offer multiple picks for Sanchez now that they see offensive troubles

- They want to fire their 2nd year coach who still has a .500 record, and after winning a game.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Good post...it's funny how many people bitch about Snyder and Cerrato, yet they have the following reactions:

- They want to bring in any offensive lineman from free agency without giving a chance to one of the young players we've been developing (and building through the draft)

- They wanted to offer multiple picks for Sanchez now that they see offensive troubles

- They want to fire their 2nd year coach who still has a .500 record, and after winning a game.

Well, when you put it that way you make it seem so... so... unreasonable. How could that be? We're "knowledgeable fans" here (well, except for irish)!!

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

fans have been clamoring for coaches like Cower, Gruden, Shannahan and others. Cower had a twelve year run in Pittsburg with one SB trophy to show for his efforts. Would Mr. Snyders' impatient blanket spand that period of time without his coveted prize? Gruden's success in Tampa could be largely attributed to his predecessor Tony Dungy who had aready laid the foundation for his work. Shannahan was not the great coach once John Elway left the game.

Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!! A man with sense.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!! A man with sense.

SFREDSKIN......I still may be able to get a ticket for you if you decide to come east anytime during the season.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

SFREDSKIN......I still may be able to get a ticket for you if you decide to come east anytime during the season.

Thank you for the offer, If I do, I will make sure to contact you. Now let's hope JZ resolves the RZ issues and we get going so everyone can stop bitching about the Redskins and Zorn being horrible.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

If an abject failure like Norv Turner can have a seven year run here in Washington with teams that more often than not showed very little promise, Jim Zorn deserves at least half that amount of time.

What's even more sad to note, if John Cooke had been successful in gaining control of the Redskins, Norv Turner may still be the coach. I vividly remember the words of his father Jack Cooke when he hired Norv, he said at the time Norv would be the last coach he was going to hire, and I'm sure he also at the time was hoping for a little longer life span.

Fans have been clamoring for coaches like Cower, Gruden, Shannahan and others. Cower had a twelve year run in Pittsburg with one SB trophy to show for his efforts. Would Mr. Snyders' impatient blanket spand that period of time without his coveted prize? Gruden's success in Tampa could be largely attributed to his predecessor Tony Dungy who had aready laid the foundation for his work. Shannahan was not the great coach once John Elway left the game.

Mind you, I'm certainly not knocking any of these very good coaches, what I am saying is that a HC must have time to build a solid program. The Redskins knew what they were getting in Zorn when they hired him , basically "on the job training" a coach with no prior coordinating experience at any level, therefore he deserves the benefit of the doubt. If they had higher expectations then they shouldn't have hired a coach so limited in scope. Given the proper time and support, it's my belief Zorn will become a proficient HC.

my rant is over, thanks for listning.....

The reason I would want a coach like Cower, Gruden or Shannahan is becasue they are the only type of coach that will come in with the clout to make the front office changes that are needed. If the big name is going to come in and accept the current setup like Gibbs did then it won't work and they may as well keep Zorn. It needs to be like when Marty came in and had the authority to fire Vinny after the first time he sat down with him. If one of these guys can get that power Marty had for that 1 year...then we are in an infinitely better position then we are now.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by celts32

The reason I would want a coach like Cower, Gruden or Shannahan is becasue they are the only type of coach that will come in with the clout to make the front office changes that are needed. If the big name is going to come in and accept the current setup like Gibbs did then it won't work and they may as well keep Zorn. It needs to be like when Marty came in and had the authority to fire Vinny after the first time he sat down with him. If one of these guys can get that power Marty had for that 1 year...then we are in an infinitely better position then we are now.

But change for the sake of change won't really help either. None of those three have proven themselves to be successful GMs. Can they be? Maybe. Though it doesn't seem like Shanahan was able to do both.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But change for the sake of change won't really help either. None of those three have proven themselves to be successful GMs. Can they be? Maybe. Though it doesn't seem like Shanahan was able to do both.

Only guy I think could do both is Parcells and he is not available nor would I want him.

I think we have to have patience with Zorn. But of all those coaches I would bring in the one who is more offensive minded. Our D will be okay. But if Zorn got fired it would be because of the O not the D.