Zorn On The Hot Seat

Rajmahal33 · 09-28-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Thoughts

1. Don't know how much benefit there is to this, unless the interim coach is someone we know will be connected to the ultimate hire and can do some "advanced scouting" on his behalf.

2. The most viable scenario

3. That would be the dreaded "vote of confidence"

It's got to be number 2 I think. Here's a question for you. How much is a Cowher, Shanahan, Gruden, or Holmgren worth? I just ask because I wonder if at this point people will be ok if we throw $10+ million at any of them to "right the ship"

I also think that #2 is ultimately the decision he will make...

In my opinion, one of those guys is worth $10 mill easily, considering the experience and value they would add. I won't, however, commit to when they should be paid that check b/c I honestly don't know what to think about Zorn. I'm trying really hard to take the loss with a grain of salt and not get into the typical sky is falling mentality. It's hard for me to do this when, the team itself seems to be imploding (when they start pointing fingers internally, or calling out a fan base publicly).

As far as the dollar value, I think 10 mill is a drop in the bucket that is the skins organization. If we finish say 6-10 or 7-9 and miss the playoffs (without one of them), I would wager that one of these guys would represent at least 3 wins above that next year. That turnaround plus the hype associated with adding one of those names to the organization could itself generate enough of a revenue to pay for a large chunk of that salary.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 09-28-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

My question is...what do you do if you are Snyder?

1) Fire Zorn now, well before the bye week and promote from within (finding his successor in the offseason)

2) Stick with Zorn til about the bye week and see if the situation improves...in essence pushing off the decision

3) Come out and make a statement that Zorn is still the head coach and will be until the end of the season...

Options 1 and 3 are swift definitive moves, but I think Snyder will go for option 2

Snyder is in that situation where no matter what he decides (given his history of mismanagement), there will be many skins fans calling for his blood. If he goes with 1) it will be construed as Snyder being Snyder and unless Shanahan or someone is willing to captain this sinking ship, i don't think the move will be vindicated. Option 3) would be gutsy but I still think that many will find a way to criticize Snyder for not seeing the situation for what it is. He is in a real tough spot to say the least...Thoughts?

Or #4, make every effort to lock up Holmgren as GM now, then let him make the football decisions. If he thinks it's best for him to get back on the sideline then so be it. My guess would be Holmgren would keep Zorn in place as HC for the rest of the season and then evaluate the best course of action. Fire Blache now and promote from within, Gray or Olivadotti then make a final DC decision after the season. Cerrato can stick around with some BS title, but ultimately control would be Holmgren's.

Dirtbag59 · 09-28-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Or #4, make every effort to lock up Holmgren as GM now, then let him make the football decisions. If he thinks it's best for him to get back on the sideline then so be it. My guess would be Holmgren would keep Zorn in place as HC for the rest of the season and then evaluate the best course of action. Fire Blache now and promote from within, Gray or Olivadotti then make a final DC decision after the season. Cerrato can stick around with some BS title, but ultimately control would be Holmgren's.

Holmgren didn't have a whole lot of success as a GM. Obviously I'm touting Decosta now/again so in all honesty I only want Holmgren as a coach/playcaller. They do need to consider a new Defensive Coordinator. 51% on third down is pathetic especially for a defense with this level of talent.

With Cerrato I picture a Rich McKay type situation where McKay took on a more organizational role and someone else gets hired to run the show. Ironically if it went down the same way as it did in Atlanta Vinny would become President Cerrato.

Chevy13 · 09-28-2009, 07:32 PM

When you lose 8 of the last 11 with a talented team I find it hard not to blame the coaching although it may not all be his fault you just shouldn't be losing that much with a team who has this much talent.

SmootSmack · 09-28-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Holmgren didn't have a whole lot of success as a GM. Obviously I'm touting Decosta now/again so in all honesty I only want Holmgren as a coach/playcaller. They do need to consider a new Defensive Coordinator. 51% on third down is pathetic especially for a defense with this level of talent.

With Cerrato I picture a Rich McKay type situation where McKay took on a more organizational role and someone else gets hired to run the show. Ironically if it went down the same way as it did in Atlanta Vinny would become President Cerrato.

Get out of my head!!

http://www.thewarpath.net/513206-post32.html

Dirtbag59 · 09-29-2009, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Get out of my head!!

http://www.thewarpath.net/513206-post32.html

Great now I have an Ashlee Simpson song stuck in my head.

In all seriousness though the only reason I'm familiar with that situation is because I live in the area. Otherwise I would be completely oblivious to the Rich McKay deal.

redsk1 · 09-28-2009, 01:26 PM

If the Skins lose this week at home against TB, which is a possibility, I think JZ might get axed.

It it only week 4 so the team could turn it around. It's possible. Not probable though.

09-28-2009, 08:17 PM

With the core of quality recievers the skins now have ...what happen to the "air show"?
Lately,Zorn play calling has lacked imagination.

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-05-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DCborn

With the core of quality recievers the skins now have ...what happen to the "air show"?
Lately,Zorn play calling has lacked imagination.

Where are they? ARE in the first 2 games, Cooley and Moss. Who else fits in this category? Have Kelly and Thomas been active the last few weeks? Just wondering. I haven't noticed them on the field. lol

dgack · 09-29-2009, 01:05 AM

I'm choosing Tupa punting as my new avatar since this team has totally punted on playing with heart or toughness this year so far.

I'm a bit ashamed to have to replace the RIP ST21 ribbon but I think Sean himself would be disgusted with this team's play this year.

JLee9718 · 10-05-2009, 12:29 PM

One thing is for sure...I don't want to go back to the days of Mark Brunell. I'd rather have Zorn and Campbell (they come as a package).

44Deezel · 10-05-2009, 01:34 PM

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One thing is for sure...I don't want to go back to the days of Mark Brunell. I'd rather have Zorn and Campbell (they come as a package).

Brunell had 23 TDs and only 10 INTs in 2005 and went to the playoffs. We couldn't wait to get rid of him. Most fans would take that kind of production in a heartbeat today.

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-05-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Brunell had 23 TDs and only 10 INTs in 2005 and went to the playoffs. We couldn't wait to get rid of him. Most fans would take that kind of production in a heartbeat today.

SBXVII · 10-05-2009, 01:08 PM

In my book he's still in the hot seat. Have you wondered why the team comes out and looks horrible the 1st half only to make plays in the last 2 min. of the half. Then come out in the 3rd quarter and make more plays? I think it has a lot to do with the "scripted" plays Zorn has set up for the first 20 plays. In 2 min drills he gets away from the script. Then when the second half starts the team looks good cause these are the non-scripted plays that Zorn is pulling off his sheet.

Plus JC is usually in shotgun trying to play catch up.

09-28-2009, 01:26 PM	#7
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Zorn On The Hot Seat If the Skins lose this week at home against TB, which is a possibility, I think JZ might get axed. It it only week 4 so the team could turn it around. It's possible. Not probable though.

09-28-2009, 08:17 PM	#8
DCborn Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Zorn On The Hot Seat With the core of quality recievers the skins now have ...what happen to the "air show"? Lately,Zorn play calling has lacked imagination.

09-29-2009, 01:05 AM	#10
dgack The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The ATX (formerly Balmer) Posts: 1,125	Re: Zorn On The Hot Seat I'm choosing Tupa punting as my new avatar since this team has totally punted on playing with heart or toughness this year so far. I'm a bit ashamed to have to replace the RIP ST21 ribbon but I think Sean himself would be disgusted with this team's play this year. __________________ "To bring a Sherm Lewis in to a Jim Zorn and whoever his offensive coordinator is, it's like bringing in another man to help teach you how to make better love to your wife or something." -- Tre Johnson

10-05-2009, 12:29 PM	#11
JLee9718 Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 573	Re: Zorn On The Hot Seat One thing is for sure...I don't want to go back to the days of Mark Brunell. I'd rather have Zorn and Campbell (they come as a package).

10-05-2009, 01:08 PM	#14
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Zorn On The Hot Seat In my book he's still in the hot seat. Have you wondered why the team comes out and looks horrible the 1st half only to make plays in the last 2 min. of the half. Then come out in the 3rd quarter and make more plays? I think it has a lot to do with the "scripted" plays Zorn has set up for the first 20 plays. In 2 min drills he gets away from the script. Then when the second half starts the team looks good cause these are the non-scripted plays that Zorn is pulling off his sheet. Plus JC is usually in shotgun trying to play catch up.

09-28-2009, 07:32 PM	#4
Chevy13 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 141	Re: Zorn On The Hot Seat When you lose 8 of the last 11 with a talented team I find it hard not to blame the coaching although it may not all be his fault you just shouldn't be losing that much with a team who has this much talent.

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