Campbell's numbers dont lie

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

What are the stats on 4th quarter comebacks for most QBs. Ifyou said 4th quarter it might have been acceptable. But the comebacks kind of made yoru arguement less relevant. Only because only the great ones do that. Like Favre Manning and Brady. Only a hand full are probably successful. Even these Qbs had to take some lumps to get where they are. There is no learning curve in Skins Nation and most people are unrealistic or impatient in their expectations. Brady was in the same system fo ryeas before he started. Manning was horrible his first year and okay the second year as a starter. it took years for him to win a Superbowl. His system remained intact also. Favre. If Favre was here as a young player he would never have reached his potential. He would have been ran out of town.

So all I ask is be realistic and be patient. Mannings and Brady's dont come around that often. Both Flacco and Ryan are a product of a system that is QB friendly as far as their defenses and running games go. You can also say this for the coveted Sanchez. He is not putting up big numbers. he is maintaining the game and has a very good offense.

Yeah, I agree. If you want a clutch stat, don't pick one that is biased against certain players. Just take the 4th quarter split, and see how that changes the numbers.

Of course, you need many years of 4th quarter play to make it a relevant sample.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

What are the stats on 4th quarter comebacks for most QBs. Ifyou said 4th quarter it might have been acceptable. But the comebacks kind of made yoru arguement less relevant. Only because only the great ones do that. Like Favre Manning and Brady. Only a hand full are probably successful. Even these Qbs had to take some lumps to get where they are. There is no learning curve in Skins Nation and most people are unrealistic or impatient in their expectations. Brady was in the same system fo ryeas before he started. Manning was horrible his first year and okay the second year as a starter. it took years for him to win a Superbowl. His system remained intact also. Favre. If Favre was here as a young player he would never have reached his potential. He would have been ran out of town.

So all I ask is be realistic and be patient. Mannings and Brady's dont come around that often. Both Flacco and Ryan are a product of a system that is QB friendly as far as their defenses and running games go. You can also say this for the coveted Sanchez. He is not putting up big numbers. he is maintaining the game and has a very good offense.

Barf.

Impatient? In this day and age, patience is for excuse-makers.

Look at our "core" guys -- Samuels, Portis, Moss, Cooley, Randle El, Rabach, Randy Thomas, Campbell, Betts, Sellers, Daniels, McIntosh, Rogers, Griffin, Carter -- these are all guys who have been here going back to the dreadful 2006 season. Some even before that. Year after year it's nothing but ordinary with these players. Ordinary play, ordinary results -- but in many cases, extraordinary salaries.

Four seasons is about as long as anyone should need to know what you have and what you don't have. With this ownership structure, we're at the ten year mark. Ten years with three winning seasons. Just how patient are Redskins fans supposed to be?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Four seasons is about as long as anyone should need to know what you have and what you don't have. With this ownership structure, we're at the ten year mark. Ten years with three winning seasons. Just how patient are Redskins fans supposed to be?

So what's the solution? Get rid of all of them just to prove a point? Or try to separate the non-contributors from the ones who can help us win in the future?

I agree that keeping all hands on deck while trying to add different forms of talent is not leading to the place we want it to. But what should we change first?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So what's the solution? Get rid of all of them just to prove a point? Or try to separate the non-contributors from the ones who can help us win in the future?

I agree that keeping all hands on deck while trying to add different forms of talent is not leading to the place we want it to. But what should we change first?

In some ways, I feel like we could be staring at the 1993/1994 seasons all over again. We're old at some pretty pivotal positions, and getting old and ineffective at others. The rest who aren't old just aren't all that great.

And as much as I don't want this to be the case, it looks to me like those three second rounders from a year ago just aren't going to pan out.

This owner doesn't have the patience to go through a complete overhaul and rebuilding process. Instead, he keeps adding pieces to a core that's going to fall apart at some point anyway, and we never really get anywhere. And again, I maintain that the core just isn't very good.

I think it's time to blow the whole thing up.

[tmandoug1]

How many of those yards and completions were done during prevent defense, need to see him do it during a reg. defense and GET US IN THE ENDZONE. Whew, this stuff is killing me. JC is still lost and making mistakes during critical times. His recievers shouldn't have to dive for the first down marker. Scared, scared young man, to afraid of throwing the ball and letting the cievers make the catch at the proper time, he always dumps off to early.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Green1

Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!

Wrong! Stats do lie. He's not getting the team in the end zone. Not all his fault but some of it is. I'd say the stats look better than he's actually played. There have been some garbage numbers. I think he's been kind of average on a bad offense.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Wrong! Stats do lie. He's not getting the team in the end zone. Not all his fault but some of it is. I'd say the stats look better than he's actually played. There have been some garbage numbers. I think he's been kind of average on a bad offense.

Okay say stats do lie. In the list that he mentioned by the OP which one of those QBs do you think is not a good QB?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Okay say stats do lie. In the list that he mentioned by the OP which one of those QBs do you think is not a good QB?

They're all good. But their teams don't avergae 13 points a game either. Like I said. JC has to take some of the blame for that. But it's not all on him either.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

They're all good. But their teams don't avergae 13 points a game either. Like I said. JC has to take some of the blame for that. But it's not all on him either.

I'd agree with you if I thought he shouldered some of the blame for the red zone struggles. But how many times has he missed a play in the end zone this year? I don't think he has.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'd agree with you if I thought he shouldered some of the blame for the red zone struggles. But how many times has he missed a play in the end zone this year? I don't think he has.

He had a few dropped on him and he's also missed some guys that were open. Maybe not in the red zone but for some long pass plays. So yeah even though he completes a lot of his passes, his stats look good, we're not getting in the end zone. You can't win in the NFL with an offense that scores 13 points a game. That is just embarrassing.

[skins89moss]

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;598877]They're all good. But their teams don't avergae 13 points a game either. Like I said. JC has to take some of the blame for that. But it's not all on him either.[/QUOTE
The thread was Campbell's numbers don't lie. It wasn't about blaming him it merely pointed out that his stats are decent compared to other good QB's in the NFL.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Wrong! Stats do lie. He's not getting the team in the end zone. Not all his fault but some of it is. I'd say the stats look better than he's actually played. There have been some garbage numbers. I think he's been kind of average on a bad offense.

It would be JC fault if he called his on plays. Guess what he doesn't, Zorn does as far as points the WR have to hold on to the ball or even break at tackle from time to time.

[jamf]

When was the last time JC made a throw to win a game? I'm not talking about a dump pass or a quick slant either. When has he hit a streaking receiver in stride to give us the lead? I can't remember...

When was the last time JC overthrew a ball that would've resulted in a TD? Happens almost every week.

When we have one final play from our 35 yard line, We choose to run a gadget play across the middle.
The vikings were in the same situation and favre launched a rocket into his WR's hands. Don't tell me that minnesotas WR's are better than ours...

JC is so concerned about not making a bad play, he seldom makes anything other than a routine throw.
When was the last time JC threw the ball downfield in a jumpball situation? Teams do it all the time.


JC is no more to us than what Trent Dilfer was to the Ravens. He is not a bad quarterback but he is not a guy that is going to win games for you.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jamf

JC is no more to us than what Trent Dilfer was to the Ravens. He is not a bad quarterback but he is not a guy that is going to win games for you.

But Trent Dilfer was actually a bad quarterback.

Therefore, yeah, Campbell is better than him.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by jamf

When was the last time JC made a throw to win a game? I'm not talking about a dump pass or a quick slant either. When has he hit a streaking receiver in stride to give us the lead? I can't remember...

When was the last time JC overthrew a ball that would've resulted in a TD? Happens almost every week.

When we have one final play from our 35 yard line, We choose to run a gadget play across the middle.
The vikings were in the same situation and favre launched a rocket into his WR's hands. Don't tell me that minnesotas WR's are better than ours...

JC is so concerned about not making a bad play, he seldom makes anything other than a routine throw.
When was the last time JC threw the ball downfield in a jumpball situation? Teams do it all the time.


JC is no more to us than what Trent Dilfer was to the Ravens. He is not a bad quarterback but he is not a guy that is going to win games for you.

He doesn't have to win the game thats why we upgrade the defense. He should manage the game and not lose it. He is not a great QB but he is a good QB.