Arrington on the way out?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by illdefined

we should focus on getting rid of guys who haven't produced or don't have the ability like Gardner or Raymer.

This is a novel idea!

[firstdown]

In one of gibbs last press confrence he was talking about a three year window in the cap space. This is a moving three year window. He said the team was fine as with the cap perspective over the next three years. Maybe danny boy has a syatem that we are overlooking with the cap room. Has he structured contracts for this? Is this a plan to keep renegotiating contracts to give us room? We allways are hearing about our cap problems but it seems every year we find the room to sign new players. Does anyone have any insight on this or have heard gibbs speak of this?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

In one of gibbs last press confrence he was talking about a three year window in the cap space. This is a moving three year window. He said the team was fine as with the cap perspective over the next three years. Maybe danny boy has a syatem that we are overlooking with the cap room. Has he structured contracts for this? Is this a plan to keep renegotiating contracts to give us room? We allways are hearing about our cap problems but it seems every year we find the room to sign new players. Does anyone have any insight on this or have heard gibbs speak of this?

I remember back when we went our our big restricted free agent blitz when we got Coles, Hall, Thomas, etc., the WP had a very detailed article about the Redskins plan of attack, and I do remember them mentioning that Snyder had extensive cap spreadsheets of 3-year projections and he worked closely with those projections when he structured the contracts to ensure they were staying under the cap.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by firstdown

In one of gibbs last press confrence he was talking about a three year window in the cap space. This is a moving three year window. He said the team was fine as with the cap perspective over the next three years. Maybe danny boy has a syatem that we are overlooking with the cap room. Has he structured contracts for this? Is this a plan to keep renegotiating contracts to give us room? We allways are hearing about our cap problems but it seems every year we find the room to sign new players. Does anyone have any insight on this or have heard gibbs speak of this?

I am not the resident cap expert in in these here parts (that would good ole Canuck) but I do believe I have a rather sound grasp of the way the cap works and how teams get around it. I have written in the past about this adn I believe it to be true...the redksins manage the cap better than anyone in the league. In fact they probably blaze the trail on just about every good way to avoid cap difficulties. They have for years been discussed as going into cap hell next year or the year after or whenever and they never end up getting blown up like the 49ers. I actually think they'll be fine in 2006 but there will clearly be some reworking which I am hoping is a bad thing in that we were successful in '05 and making changes after that would be difficult.

The three year window is the they way I believe Joe Mendes adn Cerrato divised the handle the cap when Mendes was the cap expert for Danny Boy. Mendes was regarded as the best cap manager int he game and realized that you could basically float money around and put it off over and oevr again for long periods of time. It's akin to getting 2 credit cards and passing the balance back and forth to avoid finance charges and having to ever really pay the bill.

What they do is attempt to move as much money into the future as possible. Ideally the cap blows up in the projected 4th year from what I can tell. Then every year they do various restructurings and post-june cuts to fix any upcoming problems. Inevitably they'll end up with some high priced guys that get cut based on performance which always fixes the cap for the future. It looks to me like they build in dead money now. This may seem stupid to give up cap space ever year but when you think about it it is actually ingenius. They figure they can get a better and more talented roster by signing free agents which require big contracts that are usually back loaded in terms of the cap. This allows them to get a lot of talent in the follwoing year for less money on the cap than it really costs. The dead money is just the price you pay but you end up with more talent. There problem has not been in managing the cap but in eveluating talent.

Arrington is not going anywhere because it is not time for them to do anything about his contract. It would cost a ridiculous amount of money to do anything with him now. Trading him is no better than cutting him since all bonus money alrady paid excelerates foward onto the current year's cap. Without looking at his cap numbers I am guessing he would cost us somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 mil on 2005 if we cut him or traded him. He aint going nowhere for 10 mil.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am not the resident cap expert in in these here parts (that would good ole Canuck) but I do believe I have a rather sound grasp of the way the cap works and how teams get around it. I have written in the past about this adn I believe it to be true...the redksins manage the cap better than anyone in the league. In fact they probably blaze the trail on just about every good way to avoid cap difficulties. They have for years been discussed as going into cap hell next year or the year after or whenever and they never end up getting blown up like the 49ers. I actually think they'll be fine in 2006 but there will clearly be some reworking which I am hoping is a bad thing in that we were successful in '05 and making changes after that would be difficult.

The three year window is the they way I believe Joe Mendes adn Cerrato divised the handle the cap when Mendes was the cap expert for Danny Boy. Mendes was regarded as the best cap manager int he game and realized that you could basically float money around and put it off over and oevr again for long periods of time. It's akin to getting 2 credit cards and passing the balance back and forth to avoid finance charges and having to ever really pay the bill.

What they do is attempt to move as much money into the future as possible. Ideally the cap blows up in the projected 4th year from what I can tell. Then every year they do various restructurings and post-june cuts to fix any upcoming problems. Inevitably they'll end up with some high priced guys that get cut based on performance which always fixes the cap for the future. It looks to me like they build in dead money now. This may seem stupid to give up cap space ever year but when you think about it it is actually ingenius. They figure they can get a better and more talented roster by signing free agents which require big contracts that are usually back loaded in terms of the cap. This allows them to get a lot of talent in the follwoing year for less money on the cap than it really costs. The dead money is just the price you pay but you end up with more talent. There problem has not been in managing the cap but in eveluating talent.

Arrington is not going anywhere because it is not time for them to do anything about his contract. It would cost a ridiculous amount of money to do anything with him now. Trading him is no better than cutting him since all bonus money alrady paid excelerates foward onto the current year's cap. Without looking at his cap numbers I am guessing he would cost us somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 mil on 2005 if we cut him or traded him. He aint going nowhere for 10 mil.

Your point that managing the cap has not been the problem evaluating the talent has been the problem. Hit the nail right on the head. This is what has haunted us for the past several years and I feel that gibbs will stop this trend. He made his one bad call with brunell and I am coffident he will not repeat this error.

[FRPLG]

I am growing extremely tired of this crap...
In an effort to not be a jerk about this I will not use names but it is seriously time for some people around here to face the fact that they know nothing about football. Or at least don't have a firm grasp of the way the NFL works. On top of the fact that you don't trade an all pro line backer for apparently no good reason you also don't trade an all pro linebacker when it would KILL YOUR FREAKING CAP!!!. It would not save us any money at all next year. Listen up people...this team is built for next year. Next year is it. Talent wise next year will be our best year we've had in awhile and may be short lived since 2006 may require some serious rework for cap reasons. We are not trading Portis or Lavar or anybody outside of the obvious candidates...plain and simple it is not going to happen. ANd any 'journalist' who suggests otherwise clearly is making things up just for the heck of it...those tards over at Comcats must not understand the NFL as much as they would have you believe.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am growing extremely tired of this crap...
In an effort to not be a jerk about this I will not use names but it is seriously time for some people around here to face the fact that they know nothing about football. Or at least don't have a firm grasp of the way the NFL works. On top of the fact that you don't trade an all pro line backer for apparently no good reason you also don't trade an all pro linebacker when it would KILL YOUR FREAKING CAP!!!. It would not save us any money at all next year. Listen up people...this team is built for next year. Next year is it. Talent wise next year will be our best year we've had in awhile and may be short lived since 2006 may require some serious rework for cap reasons. We are not trading Portis or Lavar or anybody outside of the obvious candidates...plain and simple it is not going to happen. ANd any 'journalist' who suggests otherwise clearly is making things up just for the heck of it...those tards over at Comcats must not understand the NFL as much as they would have you believe.

[BossHog]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am growing extremely tired of this crap...
In an effort to not be a jerk about this I will not use names but it is seriously time for some people around here to face the fact that they know nothing about football. Or at least don't have a firm grasp of the way the NFL works. On top of the fact that you don't trade an all pro line backer for apparently no good reason you also don't trade an all pro linebacker when it would KILL YOUR FREAKING CAP!!!. It would not save us any money at all next year. Listen up people...this team is built for next year. Next year is it. Talent wise next year will be our best year we've had in awhile and may be short lived since 2006 may require some serious rework for cap reasons. We are not trading Portis or Lavar or anybody outside of the obvious candidates...plain and simple it is not going to happen. ANd any 'journalist' who suggests otherwise clearly is making things up just for the heck of it...those tards over at Comcats must not understand the NFL as much as they would have you believe.

You're barking up the right tree Mr. Cap Expert. So you're saying Lavar Arrington will be a Redskin for the duration of his 8 year extension? Just as Stephen Davis played out his 10 year 100 million dollar contract(How much we 'Skins fans loved Stephen Davis)? Maybe that's the problem with our front office. We bite off other teams' trade bait and lose valuable trade picks and never come up with our own. And lose stars like Smoot and Davis to free agency.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am growing extremely tired of this crap...
In an effort to not be a jerk about this I will not use names but it is seriously time for some people around here to face the fact that they know nothing about football. Or at least don't have a firm grasp of the way the NFL works. On top of the fact that you don't trade an all pro line backer for apparently no good reason you also don't trade an all pro linebacker when it would KILL YOUR FREAKING CAP!!!. It would not save us any money at all next year. Listen up people...this team is built for next year. Next year is it. Talent wise next year will be our best year we've had in awhile and may be short lived since 2006 may require some serious rework for cap reasons. We are not trading Portis or Lavar or anybody outside of the obvious candidates...plain and simple it is not going to happen. ANd any 'journalist' who suggests otherwise clearly is making things up just for the heck of it...those tards over at Comcats must not understand the NFL as much as they would have you believe.

I have a very little knowledge about the salary cap. Could you read my rply which is #8 and give me any insight you may have. Thanks

[BossHog]

That's my point as well. Who would rather have? A high-priced, brand-name guy who plays well or a budget-priced, no-name guy who plays just as well? Let's not kid ourselves. Yes, Arrington wrecks havoc. He has also blown more assignments than M street hooker.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by BossHog

That's my point as well. Who would rather have? A high-priced, brand-name guy who plays well or a budget-priced, no-name guy who plays just as well? Let's not kid ourselves. Yes, Arrington wrecks havoc. He has also blown more assignments than M street hooker.

So you would rather have Feeley & Detmer over McNabb?

[BossHog]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

So you would rather have Feeley & Detmer over McNabb?

Hold this sign for me...

You're comparing apples to oranges.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by BossHog

Hold this sign for me...

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Originally Posted by BossHog

That's my point as well. Who would rather have? A high-priced, brand-name guy who plays well or a budget-priced, no-name guy who plays just as well? Let's not kid ourselves. Yes, Arrington wrecks havoc. He has also blown more assignments than M street hooker.

My God, man, do you not understand what you wrote?!

Or are you trying write such conflicting posts just to get us to pull our hair out?

[BossHog]

I'm not at all interested or concered about what PHI does! Who would you rather have Brunell or Ramsey and Hasselbeck?

[MTK]

I really think people play too much Madden and think that's the way the NFL works.