Arrington on the way out?

[BossHog]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really think people play too much Madden and think that's the way the NFL works.

True Maden Baller here. Yes, I play lots of Madden. But unlike most, I hate 'franchise' mode.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really think people play too much Madden and think that's the way the NFL works.

I was thinking the same thing...

[BossHog]

OK. As I said before, Marshall and Clemons filled in admirably in Arrington's absense. As did Feeley and Detmer did for PHI when McNabb was hurt. Just as Marshall, Clemons, Detmer, and Feeley all benefited from being in a system that plays to thier own strengths, realisticly, none of these guys aren't near franchise caliber personnel. We finally have a coach (Williams) and a system with core guys that need not an all-world, top-of-league-contract LB. Follow me?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I know we all love to speculate in the off-season, but I'm taking the stance that we are seriously stacked on the team for the next few years. Yes, a few free agent acquistions/draft picks to upgrade, NOT replace. I heard somewhere that if the Redskins were to have scored 23 more points this year, that their record would have been 10+ wins. I don't think that turning over the roster AGAIN is going to add those 23 points.

This is where I feel that an added WR/OL/DE is going to make a world of difference, not trading our best linebacker.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I know we all love to speculate in the off-season, but I'm taking the stance that we are seriously stacked on the team for the next few years. Yes, a few free agent acquistions/draft picks to upgrade, NOT replace. I heard somewhere that if the Redskins were to have scored 23 more points this year, that their record would have been 10+ wins. I don't think that turning over the roster AGAIN is going to add those 23 points.

This is where I feel that an added WR/OL/DE is going to make a world of difference, not trading our best linebacker.

We would have been 14 and 2

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by firstdown

We would have been 14 and 2

Now just look at that and tell me we need to trade any of our stars...

[BossHog]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

This is where I feel that an added WR/OL/DE is going to make a world of difference, not trading our best linebacker.

What if the only way to add a quality WR/OL/DE is to trade 'our best llinebacker'? We're still talking about Arrington right?

Maybe I'm one of the few who cared to look at at the 'Contracts' page, but I noticed we have some significant dead money being spent on the likes of Bruce Smith, Dan Wilkinson, et al, as high as 6 million dollars per! What I do know about contract rules is that signing bonuses are the only guaranteed money in the NFL. And signing bonuses can only be spread out over a period of four years (not sure what happens with extensions). When a player is traded his contract goes with him! When you cut a player, or he retires, the signing bonus goes against your cap accordingly.

Arrington has been nothing short of a franchise player on and off the field. I can't think of another guy other than Darrell Green who represents this team with such loyalty. And there's no need to worry about our cap situation whatever happens.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by BossHog

What I do know about contract rules is that signing bonuses are the only guaranteed money in the NFL. And signing bonuses can only be spread out over a period of four years (not sure what happens with extensions). When a player is traded his contract goes with him! When you cut a player, or he retires, the signing bonus goes against your cap accordingly.
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Actually no...like I said above any bonus already paid to a player counts only against the team that paid it. Looking at Arringtons bonus numbers...it looks like he was supposed to get a 4.5 RB next seaon...not sure if the 6.5 counts that or what. Lets simply eliminate that and look at the plain ole signing bonus which isprorated out oevr the rest on the contract(not four years but the entire length of the contract up to 7 years I believe). It adds up to somewhere in the nighborhood of 10 mil. This ahs laready been paid to lavar so it counts against us only. It would excelarte foward to whatever year we traded him in. IE:he aint going nowhere. Not even for Randy Moss and Daunte Culpepper.

[BossHog]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Actually no...like I said above any bonus already paid to a player counts only against the team that paid it. Looking at Arringtons bonus numbers...it looks like he was supposed to get a 4.5 RB next seaon...not sure if the 6.5 counts that or what. Lets simply eliminate that and look at the plain ole signing bonus which isprorated out oevr the rest on the contract(not four years but the entire length of the contract up to 7 years I believe). It adds up to somewhere in the nighborhood of 10 mil. This ahs laready been paid to lavar so it counts against us only. It would excelarte foward to whatever year we traded him in. IE:he aint going nowhere. Not even for Randy Moss and Daunte Culpepper.

I'm with you here, believe it or not. I didn't mean to lure anyone to thinking that the signing bonus is 'traded'. I only said the bonus is guaranteed and the contract term (money not guaranteed) is traded. The players' union and the NFL agreed that signing bonuses can not be spread over four years, simply because players don't want to wait forever. The term of the contract is what makes the the salary seem so high. Many of these new age contracts have incentives and escalators. It gets really tricky after renegotiang because essentially the team gives a player 'contract term' money up front (as if a bonus). Here's an example. And guys i don't claim to be a genius. It's just that i'm an aries.

(Example: Player A signs 73 million dollar contract with a 18 million dollar signing bonus over 5 years whereas only 18 mil is guaranteed and paid within 4 years. $73 contract-$18 bonus=$55 non guaranteed. $55/5 years=$11 a year contract terms. $18 bonus/4 years spread= $4.5 bonus per four first years. So with this very simple example, Player A will be paid 15.5 per year for the first four years and 11.5 his final year).

[MTK]

Bottom line:

Arrington isn't going anywhere, neither is Portis or Coles.

#1, Unless you're cleaning house due to cap reasons why would you trade your stars?

#2, with their contracts they are virtually untradeable, unless you want to bury the team with massive cap hits.

End of story.

[irish]

Any way we could find to trade LA for a ton of draft picks would, IMO, be a great move. Just like the cowboys did with Herschel Walker to get the picks that essentially built their championship team.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by irish

Any way we could find to trade LA for a ton of draft picks would, IMO, be a great move. Just like the cowboys did with Herschel Walker to get the picks that essentially built their championship team.

HOW WOULD WE PAY ALL OF THESE DRAFT PICKS.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

HOW WOULD WE PAY ALL OF THESE DRAFT PICKS.

That's what I was about to say, if we get a bunch of picks we're going to have to sign all these guys, combined with the cap hit from Lavar, forget about it.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That's what I was about to say, if we get a bunch of picks we're going to have to sign all these guys, combined with the cap hit from Lavar, forget about it.

Who came up with this damn salary cap?LOL

[Daseal]

The leagues gives you some special ways to pay draft picks even if you're strapped by the cap don't they?