Do you expect Zorn to be fired

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS1980

wow, you must be the only surviving Zorn supporter on here. Yes one game from .500. This year the skins were given a gift with the cupcake schedule. Easily could have gone 5-1. The schedule will not get any easier.

No, I just believe that it is stupid to try and can him right now. An interim head coach isn't going to turn this thing around either. All firing him would do is deflate the team even more than it already is.

[REDSKINS1980]

Originally Posted by Angry

No, I just believe that it is stupid to try and can him right now. An interim head coach isn't going to turn this thing around either. All firing him would do is deflate the team even more than it already is.

yes, you're right. no matter what, the season is done. a new coaching staff will not turn it around, but it gives them the opportunity to evaluate the team and focus on the needs to build and prepare the team for next year. Right now we have players that are not contributing at all, a new staff will help weed them out.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS1980

yes, you're right. no matter what, the season is done. a new coaching staff will not turn it around, but it gives them the opportunity to evaluate the team and focus on the needs to build and prepare the team for next year. Right now we have players that are not contributing at all, a new staff will help weed them out.

That is what game film, offseason workouts, and training camp are for.

BTW, what unit are you in? I used to be in 1/9 FA.

[Hog1]

I just heard a......shocking stat. Yesterday was the first time in 10 F..N GAMES that we scored a first qtr TD..........
unbelievable

[warpaint]

Zorn was picked for this reason so a new vetern coach becomes available. He is already fired, he just hasn't been given his walking papers.

[Hijinx]

Part of this decision is what you believe makes a good football team. I've always believed that with a just few "superstar" exceptions, the talent level on most teams is just a hair difference. If you were to rate all the MLBs on the NFL rosters from 1 to 64 (assuming every team has just for right now) throw out the top 5 and the bottom 5 and I bet there isn't much difference in physical talents. A couple tenths of a second difference in a 40 yrd dash, couple less reps in the bench press, etc.. The key difference in how a player plays and if a team wins is coaching. Granted there are superstars who can rely on amazing talent alone, (I don't care how you coached Barry Sanders he was just going to run on you all day) but for the most players the training and the system are key.


Look at the team that has had the most success in the last 10 years, the Pats. They won the Superbowl in 2001, 2003, and 2004. Look at the starting lines up from the 2001 game vs the 2004 game only 5 starters out of 22 were the same. They didn't win because of talent per se they won because of coaching and "the system". Belichick is not a genius at the draft. From 2004-2008 the Pats had 21 picks in rounds 1-4, (these are guys who you expect to make the team, I didn't count the whole draft), out of those 21 less then half, 10 are on still on the team. That's not horrible, that's not great either.


All I am saying is that coaching and "the system" beats the heck out of "waking up the players" or firing someone to be the scape goat. If Danny boy fires Zorn now, there is no chance to do the types of things that you do in training camp and Preseason that makes a great football team. Just wait till the season is over, show the door to Zorn and throw a boat load of money at a PROVEN HEAD COACH.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Part of this decision is what you believe makes a good football team. I've always believed that with a just few "superstar" exceptions, the talent level on most teams is just a hair difference. If you were to rate all the MLBs on the NFL rosters from 1 to 64 (assuming every team has just for right now) throw out the top 5 and the bottom 5 and I bet there isn't much difference in physical talents. A couple tenths of a second difference in a 40 yrd dash, couple less reps in the bench press, etc.. The key difference in how a player plays and if a team wins is coaching. Granted there are superstars who can rely on amazing talent alone, (I don't care how you coached Barry Sanders he was just going to run on you all day) but for the most players the training and the system are key.


Look at the team that has had the most success in the last 10 years, the Pats. They won the Superbowl in 2001, 2003, and 2004. Look at the starting lines up from the 2001 game vs the 2004 game only 5 starters out of 22 were the same. They didn't win because of talent per se they won because of coaching and "the system". Belichick is not a genius at the draft. From 2004-2008 the Pats had 21 picks in rounds 1-4, (these are guys who you expect to make the team, I didn't count the whole draft), out of those 21 less then half, 10 are on still on the team. That's not horrible, that's not great either.


All I am saying is that coaching and "the system" beats the heck out of "waking up the players" or firing someone to be the scape goat. If Danny boy fires Zorn now, there is no chance to do the types of things that you do in training camp and Preseason that makes a great football team. Just wait till the season is over, show the door to Zorn and throw a boat load of money at a PROVEN HEAD COACH.

Having Tom Brady and a good offensive line doesn't hurt either.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Part of this decision is what you believe makes a good football team. I've always believed that with a just few "superstar" exceptions, the talent level on most teams is just a hair difference. If you were to rate all the MLBs on the NFL rosters from 1 to 64 (assuming every team has just for right now) throw out the top 5 and the bottom 5 and I bet there isn't much difference in physical talents. A couple tenths of a second difference in a 40 yrd dash, couple less reps in the bench press, etc.. The key difference in how a player plays and if a team wins is coaching. Granted there are superstars who can rely on amazing talent alone, (I don't care how you coached Barry Sanders he was just going to run on you all day) but for the most players the training and the system are key.


Look at the team that has had the most success in the last 10 years, the Pats. They won the Superbowl in 2001, 2003, and 2004. Look at the starting lines up from the 2001 game vs the 2004 game only 5 starters out of 22 were the same. They didn't win because of talent per se they won because of coaching and "the system". Belichick is not a genius at the draft. From 2004-2008 the Pats had 21 picks in rounds 1-4, (these are guys who you expect to make the team, I didn't count the whole draft), out of those 21 less then half, 10 are on still on the team. That's not horrible, that's not great either.


All I am saying is that coaching and "the system" beats the heck out of "waking up the players" or firing someone to be the scape goat. If Danny boy fires Zorn now, there is no chance to do the types of things that you do in training camp and Preseason that makes a great football team. Just wait till the season is over, show the door to Zorn and throw a boat load of money at a PROVEN HEAD COACH.

Nice post. Especially the 2nd paragraph, Patriots' draft success seems to be constantly inflated

[DAVID]

Zorn sucks & so the whole organization. We'll finish 4-12

[Ijaeger]

We probably should've known this was coming when he called us by the wrong colors in his introductory press conference

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Ijaeger

We probably should've known this was coming when he called us by the wrong colors in his introductory press conference

Exactly. Then he said he was intimidated by the Lombardi's at the podium. or something to that effect. In over his head from day 1.

[JPPT1974]

If he loses one or two more games, then he is in big trouble!

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

but GD we know you have no ego to get in the way, so all would be good on that front

What'd you say about my ego?!!! Grrrrr...

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I feel bad for him too, he's definitely in over his head. Looking back I think he took on too much, too soon. He went from QB coach in Seattle to head coach/offensive coordinator/QB coach with the Skins. That's a heck of a leap. Couple that with a front office without a solid plan in place and it spells disaster. He was set up for failure from day 1. He would have been better off as OC only with an experienced HC above him to work with.

This is the real shame. If only Zorn had an opportunity with a different team -- a different owner -- then he might not have been ruined. Most people in the NFL know we're a team in disarray, but few truly understand the intricacies of our dysfunction. People think they actually have a chance to succeed here. They come with visions of sugar plums, and leave with a cynicism greater than they ever thought possible. This is where people come to have their spirit broken -- coaches, players and fans alike.