If Chris Samuels does retire..?

MTK · 10-15-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

Joe, good post. exactly how i feel. year after year, the skins trot these old guys out there, seemingly with no plan if someone gets injured. i guess now this kind of forces their hand. and just say no to Runyan. let some of the younger guys play. we have to find out as a team if any of them can play in this league. does anyone really know if Rinehart is NFL quality? and this is his 3rd season?

2nd season, he was a rook last year

skinsfan_nn · 10-15-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

Joe, good post. exactly how i feel. year after year, the skins trot these old guys out there, seemingly with no plan if someone gets injured. i guess now this kind of forces their hand. and just say no to Runyan. let some of the younger guys play. we have to find out as a team if any of them can play in this league. does anyone really know if Rinehart is NFL quality? and this is his 3rd season?

What younger guys are you talking about.....? Oh you mean Heyer, I think we know the answer to that Terp project. Ok, maybe as a backup. But certainly not a starter in this league, well except for the Skins!

And Rhino....he's lacking a little confidence, but he really is getting pushed around like a girl. That should about answer that.

dmek25 · 10-16-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

What younger guys are you talking about.....? Oh you mean Heyer, I think we know the answer to that Terp project. Ok, maybe as a backup. But certainly not a starter in this league, well except for the Skins!

And Rhino....he's lacking a little confidence, but he really is getting pushed around like a girl. That should about answer that.

the rookie Williams. isn't he a center by trade? lets get him out there. screw Rabach. we all know he sucks. what about Alexander? or is he done playing offense?

Monkeydad · 10-16-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

the rookie Williams. isn't he a center by trade? lets get him out there. screw Rabach. we all know he sucks. what about Alexander? or is he done playing offense?

Agreed...get Edwin on the field and "Raback-the-team-up-another-5-yards" off!

GTripp0012 · 10-16-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

the rookie Williams. isn't he a center by trade? lets get him out there. screw Rabach. we all know he sucks. what about Alexander? or is he done playing offense?

Alexander needs to be on the field...on Defense. He's absolutely earned the right to be Griffin's replacement in the defense.

Of course, you've GOT to get Golston his snaps (sarcasm intended), so can't play him.

Starting DL next year (assuming we stay with the 4-3): Orakpo, Jarmon, Alexander, and Haynesworth.

Big C · 10-16-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Alexander needs to be on the field...on Defense. He's absolutely earned the right to be Griffin's replacement in the defense.

Of course, you've GOT to get Golston his snaps (sarcasm intended), so can't play him.

Starting DL next year (assuming we stay with the 4-3): Orakpo, Jarmon, Alexander, and Haynesworth.

I dont think alexander is good enough to be a starter imho.

CRedskinsRule · 10-15-2009, 02:18 PM

If he retires I will wish him the best, and remember him and Jansen as one of the best duo's we've had. It's a shame neither was able to hold the Lombardi up once.

sportscurmudgeon · 10-16-2009, 02:53 PM

Larry Michaels said the other day that all of this may turn out for the best. He said that Heyer was a "natural left tackle" - - because that's where he played at Maryland. And he said that Mike Williams is a "natural tackle" and this move will put him back at tackle instead of at guard.

Recall back in the spring when Vinny told us all that Heyer was "unbeatable" when he remembered to stay low - - but he didn't always remember.

Sounds to me as if some folks tied to the organization have had too much sunshine pumped up their a$$...

budw38 · 10-15-2009, 02:21 PM

Wishing the best for Samuels , true warrior for the Skins . As far as OL , Sign 2 in F/A and use one < or both > of our first two picks on the OL . The Jets did just that with drafting Ferguson/Mangold .

DFI · 10-15-2009, 02:31 PM

really he needs to hang it up health in tact

redsk1 · 10-15-2009, 02:48 PM

Yes, Samuels retirement would be another hole added to the multitude of holes that we need to fill on our team.

LT, RT, Guard, Center (maybe), RB, QB, and possibly CB w/ CR most likely leaving via FA

Personally, it would be a bummer to see CS retire. He's gotta do what's best though.

Bill B · 10-15-2009, 03:16 PM

redsk1,

All of those needs are really making it a downer to be a Skins fan. I would say you can't possibly do it in one offseason - maybe we get one offensive lineman via free agency but the good ones are rarely let go by other teams.

Bill B · 10-15-2009, 03:28 PM

Schneed/Smootsmack/other knowledgaeable Salary Cap Fans:

Besides just talking about replacements if Samuels leaves what about the salary cap ramifications of him retiring due to injury - is there any exemption to the hit on our cap if the Skins lose him to a career ending injury? If no I looked at the Cap information on this site and in 2010 Samuels release fee is $14.5 million - if the league were to work out a new collective barganining agreement would the release of Samuels basically cause next year to be over before we know it as we would either have to just let go of a lot of expensive veterans or would the Skins FO redo a massive amount of contracts further hampering our cap future?

I have seen a lot of other posters say maybe Samuels retiring is the best thing as it would cause a complete rebuild/flushing out of high priced veterans and using low priced veterans and really using the draft to build the team for several years. Watching the new guys would be tough for the first couple of years but at least us Skins fans would know that we are finally committed to using a different approach of building the team mainly through the draft and using free agency as a suppliment.

GTripp0012 · 10-15-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill B

Schneed/Smootsmack/other knowledgaeable Salary Cap Fans:

Besides just talking about replacements if Samuels leaves what about the salary cap ramifications of him retiring due to injury - is there any exemption to the hit on our cap if the Skins lose him to a career ending injury? If no I looked at the Cap information on this site and in 2010 Samuels release fee is $14.5 million - if the league were to work out a new collective barganining agreement would the release of Samuels basically cause next year to be over before we know it as we would either have to just let go of a lot of expensive veterans or would the Skins FO redo a massive amount of contracts further hampering our cap future?

I have seen a lot of other posters say maybe Samuels retiring is the best thing as it would cause a complete rebuild/flushing out of high priced veterans and using low priced veterans and really using the draft to build the team for several years. Watching the new guys would be tough for the first couple of years but at least us Skins fans would know that we are finally committed to using a different approach of building the team mainly through the draft and using free agency as a suppliment.

I think the team can place him on the reserve/retired list, and then doesn't have to pay his non-guaranteed salaries without being forced to immediately accelerate the unrealized guaranteed contract money.

Bill B · 10-15-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the team can place him on the reserve/retired list, and then doesn't have to pay his non-guaranteed salaries without being forced to immediately accelerate the unrealized guaranteed contract money.

thanks for the update GTripp - hopefully they can spread over many years.

10-15-2009, 02:18 PM	#7
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 58 Posts: 21,698	Re: If Chris Samuels does retire..? If he retires I will wish him the best, and remember him and Jansen as one of the best duo's we've had. It's a shame neither was able to hold the Lombardi up once.

10-16-2009, 02:53 PM	#8
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: If Chris Samuels does retire..? Larry Michaels said the other day that all of this may turn out for the best. He said that Heyer was a "natural left tackle" - - because that's where he played at Maryland. And he said that Mike Williams is a "natural tackle" and this move will put him back at tackle instead of at guard. Recall back in the spring when Vinny told us all that Heyer was "unbeatable" when he remembered to stay low - - but he didn't always remember. Sounds to me as if some folks tied to the organization have had too much sunshine pumped up their a$$... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

10-15-2009, 02:21 PM	#9
budw38 Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern,Va. Posts: 2,706	Re: If Chris Samuels does retire..? Wishing the best for Samuels , true warrior for the Skins . As far as OL , Sign 2 in F/A and use one < or both > of our first two picks on the OL . The Jets did just that with drafting Ferguson/Mangold .

10-15-2009, 02:31 PM	#10
DFI Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: On the Road Age: 58 Posts: 231	Re: If Chris Samuels does retire..? really he needs to hang it up health in tact __________________ 'Russ Grimm would swallow his dip by halftime and throw up on somebody's shoes. Jeff Bostic and Mark May were fighting about who'd missed an assignment. And man did Riggo stink from his hangover. But we got it done.' Don Warren

10-15-2009, 02:48 PM	#11
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: If Chris Samuels does retire..? Yes, Samuels retirement would be another hole added to the multitude of holes that we need to fill on our team. LT, RT, Guard, Center (maybe), RB, QB, and possibly CB w/ CR most likely leaving via FA Personally, it would be a bummer to see CS retire. He's gotta do what's best though.

10-15-2009, 03:16 PM	#12
Bill B Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 721	Re: If Chris Samuels does retire..? redsk1, All of those needs are really making it a downer to be a Skins fan. I would say you can't possibly do it in one offseason - maybe we get one offensive lineman via free agency but the good ones are rarely let go by other teams.

10-15-2009, 03:28 PM	#13
Bill B Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 721	Re: If Chris Samuels does retire..? Schneed/Smootsmack/other knowledgaeable Salary Cap Fans: Besides just talking about replacements if Samuels leaves what about the salary cap ramifications of him retiring due to injury - is there any exemption to the hit on our cap if the Skins lose him to a career ending injury? If no I looked at the Cap information on this site and in 2010 Samuels release fee is $14.5 million - if the league were to work out a new collective barganining agreement would the release of Samuels basically cause next year to be over before we know it as we would either have to just let go of a lot of expensive veterans or would the Skins FO redo a massive amount of contracts further hampering our cap future? I have seen a lot of other posters say maybe Samuels retiring is the best thing as it would cause a complete rebuild/flushing out of high priced veterans and using low priced veterans and really using the draft to build the team for several years. Watching the new guys would be tough for the first couple of years but at least us Skins fans would know that we are finally committed to using a different approach of building the team mainly through the draft and using free agency as a suppliment.

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