Reputation of Sherman Lewis- our new play caller

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

This may be old news but when we spoke last about this topic it was wild rumor. This now has been confirmed as truth.

Most the things we speak about on here are basically what ifs because we don't really know what the front office does behind closed doors but this affirms that they committed this action during this offseason.

I think it speaks volumes about what they plan to do this offseason and how they plan to structure the future front office...with or without Vinny.

It also speaks about how they are going to treat the next coach who comes to DC. They offered a job to someone without first having a vacancy. If that is no big deal to you then you're probably not one of the perspective coaches for the Washington Redskins because they'd probably give this some thought.

Sources: Mike Shanahan Turned Down Redskins Coaching Job -- NFL FanHouse

I guess I'll ask the same question here that I asked in another thread. What is so true now that we didn't know two weeks ago?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I guess I'll ask the same question here that I asked in another thread. What is so true now that we didn't know two weeks ago?

im not skinny t but im guessin that the truth is:
1)after the lions game the DS wanted to fire zorn, vinny told him if you fire zorn you have no one that can call plays,
2) the next week, snyderatto bring in sherm lewis so that he can get familiar with skins for a few weeks and when he fires zorn there is someone who has called plays before
3) after the chiefs game snyderatto tries to embarrass zorn into quiting by "strongly suggesting" that he hand over play call duties to sherm lewis,
4) zorn not quiting before the eagles game is no biggie for snyderatto b/c the bye week is coming up, in which time they can fire zorn and allow sherm lewis 2 weeks to get up to speed as the Washington redskins head coach.

(as a side benefit, maybe one of the big name coaches might actually listen to snyderatto's sales pitch mid-season since sherm lewis is an interim coach and not a tenured coach coming into the season like zorn was. i do believe coaches, employed or unemployed, have a type of gentelmens agreement/quasi union pack where they wont go behind and usurp another HC while he is still employed. look at gruden and shanahan's responses and comments.

usurping an interim coach whom the FO has no intention of keeping past this season isnt as egregious of a violation to their coach gentlemens code as it would be if zorn is still the HC)

so business as usual for the skins.

i also think skinny was implying that the smearing campaign of snyderatto on their coaches (marty, gregg williams and now the public humiliation of zorn) hurts their chances of hiring a big time coach.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

im not skinny t but im guessin that the truth is:
1)after the lions game the DS wanted to fire zorn, vinny told him if you fire zorn you have no one that can call plays,
2) the next week, snyderatto bring in sherm lewis so that he can get familiar with skins for a few weeks and when he fires zorn there is someone who has called plays before
3) after the chiefs game snyderatto tries to embarrass zorn into quiting by "strongly suggesting" that he hand over play call duties to sherm lewis,
4) zorn not quiting before the eagles game is no biggie for snyderatto b/c the bye week is coming up, in which time they can fire zorn and allow sherm lewis 2 weeks to get up to speed as the Washington redskins head coach.

(as a side benefit, maybe one of the big name coaches might actually listen to snyderatto's sales pitch mid-season since sherm lewis is an interim coach and not a tenured coach coming into the season like zorn was. i do believe coaches, employed or unemployed, have a type of gentelmens agreement/quasi union pack where they wont go behind and usurp another HC while he is still employed. look at gruden and shanahan's responses and comments.

usurping an interim coach whom the FO has no intention of keeping past this season isnt as egregious of a violation to their coach gentlemens code as it would be if zorn is still the HC)

so business as usual for the skins.

i also think skinny was implying that the smearing campaign of snyderatto on their coaches (marty, gregg williams and now the public humiliation of zorn) hurts their chances of hiring a big time coach.

Thanks for the reply. I thought Skinny was talking more about the rumors of the Redskins reaching out to Shanahan, which is something that was reported earlier this month. The only difference now is that a "source inside the Redskins organization" confirmed it this time, whereas no one did before. But that's par for the course with these things. It's really not new news, in my opinion.

[rbanerjee23]

This is so unfair...how come I didn't get a call to "be an extra set of eyes" for the Redskins?

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

This is so unfair...how come I didn't get a call to "be an extra set of eyes" for the Redskins?

After watching the Skins this year I may need an extra set of eyes because there's a good chance I gouge mine out with a spoon.

[Green1]

Sherman Lewis
Green Bay Packers Offensive Coordinator1992-1999
Minnesota Vikings Offensive Coordinator 2000-2001
Detroit Lions Offensive Coordinator 2003-2004

He cant be worst than Zorn.....he has called plays before!

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Green1

Sherman Lewis
Green Bay Packers Offensive Coordinator1992-1999
Minnesota Vikings Offensive Coordinator 2000-2001
Detroit Lions Offensive Coordinator 2003-2004

He cant be worst than Zorn.....he has called plays before!

Here's real insight of Lewis' history.. Doesn't look real good..

washingtonpost.com

[franklinhimself]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Here's real insight of Lewis' history.. Doesn't look real good..

washingtonpost.com

Thank you! I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until we see how he does on Monday night, but I don't see at all any serious reason for optimism. He basically had the job of Sherman Smith- title of OC, but didn't do shit for all those years.

Our FO is absolutely the worst. I Like Zorn, but I'm glad he's sucking if the rumors are true that Vinny's fate is tied to Zorn's.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Here's real insight of Lewis' history.. Doesn't look real good..

washingtonpost.com

And just to reiterate points covered in that story, here is my favorite quotation from Reid's RI blog: "The plan is for Lewis, who will sit in the press box, to give the calls to Zorn, who will remain on the sideline and relay the information to Campbell or Collins. But Lewis performed poorly when he was permitted to call plays previously in his career, league sources said, and is unfamiliar with the Redskins' offensive terminology, personnel, running game and pass-protection schemes." What a cluster f. Besides all of the obvious problems, what are the odds on the number of time outs the team will have to call because plays are slow getting in to the QB? Game management and efficiency wasn't exactly the strong suit of this team even when Zorn was calling the plays himself.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Besides all of the obvious problems, what are the odds on the number of time outs the team will have to call because plays are slow getting in to the QB? Game management and efficiency wasn't exactly the strong suit of this team even when Zorn was calling the plays himself.

5.5

I have the over.

Of course, on the other side, you have Donovan McNabb, so his over/under is 6.5.

[CRedskinsRule]

Is there any way people can wait to lambast this move until we see the end result. JZ's problem has been that he doesn't seem responsive and reactive to the defenses. He has his plan and pushes execution. I am very hopeful that a man who was in football his whole life and crafted successful offenses, can come in take our parts and maybe give us the spark that we all want to see. Certainly if our offense can make ANY strides, our D will have more of a chance to take over game.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Is there any way people can wait to lambast this move until we see the end result. JZ's problem has been that he doesn't seem responsive and reactive to the defenses. He has his plan and pushes execution. I am very hopeful that a man who was in football his whole life and crafted successful offenses, can come in take our parts and maybe give us the spark that we all want to see. Certainly if our offense can make ANY strides, our D will have more of a chance to take over game.

You need to stop giving this front office the benefit of the doubt. Just because they're making changes doesn't mean there will be a different result. That's how they've been fooling everyone in the offseason. Buying expensive free agents and teasing fans into thinking they'll be different.

This front office deserves all the doubt they've garnered. Things aren't going to change because they've tinkered with the team. They're not qualified to be making any adjustments to an NFL team so there's not much to expect here.

I'll wait to see how it turns out but it's going to be with cautious pessimism.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

You need to stop giving this front office the benefit of the doubt. Just because they're making changes doesn't mean there will be a different result. That's how they've been fooling everyone in the offseason. Buying expensive free agents and teasing fans into thinking they'll be different.

This front office deserves all the doubt they've garnered. Things aren't going to change because they've tinkered with the team. They're not qualified to be making any adjustments to an NFL team so there's not much to expect here.

I'll wait to see how it turns out but it's going to be with cautious pessimism.

I will keep giving them the benefit of the doubt. sorry. Look they took a shot with JZ to try and find the next diamond in the rough. He was a lump of coal. They gave him time to get something going. He wouldn't change. Bashing for bringing in a consultant is idiotic. Teams do it all the time. Hell the Colts re-hired two coaches who retired as consultants this year, yeah it was politics but whatever. Look everyone HATES where we are this season, but the Pure hatred/angst against Snyder is ridiculous. People would have been Lambasting JKC when Pardee was our coach, and switched to Gibbs who went 0-5. Don't say they wouldn't, I was only a teen but I remember the Post articles and JG having to go to Theismann to save his job. Losing is crappy. I hate it. But the FO is trying to stay within football parameters of in-season staffing changes. If they fired Zorn, people would be calling foul on Snyder, if they did nothing people would be calling foul, etc etc.

I just want to see this team win like everyone else, but I still will remain hopeful as they try to find the right in-season solution.

[tryfuhl]

My biggest issue is that we don't know that Sherm can call it any better than Zorn, it's not like he's very well known for it. I would've preferred it went to Sherman Smith, at least he's been here for awhile and helps come up with the gameplan

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

My biggest issue is that we don't know that Sherm can call it any better than Zorn, it's not like he's very well known for it. I would've preferred it went to Sherman Smith, at least he's been here for awhile and helps come up with the gameplan

The FO wants to give the play calling over to a coach that has playing experience. Sherman Lewis does and Sherman Smith doesn't. Zorn has lost the confidence of his offense players in my mind. Its time to try a new approach so why not let Sherman Lewis get a shot at it? Zorn is gone either in the season or the end of the season. I think they need to let Blache or Gray take over for the rest of the season and let Zorn go now.