Gruden to Return to ESPN

[SmootSmack]

My gut feeling still has Billick here, with guys like Mooch or Martz not too far behind as choices.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Billick? UGH, i'd rather promote Cerrato to HC.

[MonkFan4Life]

I thought Billick as well for a while Smoot. If we get a Shanahan I hope that it's the yougner one in Houston !

[CultBrennan59]

Like I said I thought Shanahan would be our next coach, I wasn't really a fan of gruden coming here.

[DBUCHANON101]

I think all that the Sherm Lewis situation has done is to prove that Zorn is not a good playcaller while that is where Gruden is far better. I believe Gruden would be a good fit here.I mean hell he won with Al Davis so why not?

[poopoobigelow]

i'm sure his ESPN contract contains a get-out clause if he gets another HC job... also, pretty positive that zorn is gone... even if the FO had faith in him, which they don't, it would need to be done from a standpoint of getting the bad taste of this season out of the mouths of the fan base...

i also believe that anyone -- even cowher and holmgren -- are possible HC candidates... money talks...

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by poopoobigelow

i'm sure his ESPN contract contains a get-out clause if he gets another HC job... also, pretty positive that zorn is gone... even if the FO had faith in him, which they don't, it would need to be done from a standpoint of getting the bad taste of this season out of the mouths of the fan base...

i also believe that anyone -- even cowher and holmgren -- are possible HC candidates... money talks...

I think the Browns are pretty much going to hand over the organization to Holmgren (from what I heard on either the ESPN or NFLN...can't remember which), so I doubt he'd come here.

[poopoobigelow]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think the Browns are pretty much going to hand over the organization to Holmgren (from what I heard on either the ESPN or NFLN...can't remember which), so I doubt he'd come here.

oh, i wouldn't put any money on it... just saying we shouldn't rule anyone out because most anyone follows the money... and we have a lot of that here...

also, i think snyder is desperate enough that he might hand over the keys to someone... so, i wouldn't rule out full control guys, either...

[SmootSmack]

My top notch Gruden source reminds me that he's told me for weeks now Gruden's not coming here. I had my doubts briefly though. I don't the specifics of his deal off-hand but an out before the end of next season is very unlikely.

Snyder will, I'm sure, make another very strong push for Shanahan (which means Kyle Shanahan and Bob Slowik as well probably).

Cowher is always a name that's floated around, but I think Snyder has kind of cooled on him

I've never heard Billick's name mentioned quite honestly, but I just have a feeling about him

Mooch's name is often floated around but I think that's more so because he (and Bruce Allen) seem to "consult" often with the Redskins front office. But he really doesn't want to leave the west coast if he doesn't have to.

[Beemnseven]

Wow -- there's a lot of hate for Mike Shanahan apparently. I don't really see why, the man has a 138-86 record in Denver, a .615 winning percentage in the playoffs, and two shiney Lombardi trophies.

People will say that he couldn't win championships without Elway. But for a long time there were coaches that couldn't win with Elway. If you look at his record in Denver, he had two losing seasons; 6-10 in 1999, and 7-9 in 2007 which was sandwiched in between 9-7 in '06, and 8-8 in his final year there.

So at worst, the Broncos fell into mediocrity in his last three seasons.

I really don't get how Mike Shanahan takes such a big hit around here.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

My top notch Gruden source reminds me that he's told me for weeks now Gruden's not coming here. I had my doubts briefly though. I don't the specifics of his deal off-hand but an out before the end of next season is very unlikely.

Snyder will, I'm sure, make another very strong push for Shanahan (which means Kyle Shanahan and Bob Slowik as well probably).

Cowher is always a name that's floated around, but I think Snyder has kind of cooled on him

I've never heard Billick's name mentioned quite honestly, but I just have a feeling about him

Mooch's name is often floated around but I think that's more so because he (and Bruce Allen) seem to "consult" often with the Redskins front office. But he really doesn't want to leave the west coast if he doesn't have to.

I still wouldn't rule out Gruden even though I don't want him. But a Holmgren/Gruden team might be interesting. I just don't see Holmgren being the type to put DS in his place if he meddles too much.

I get the feeling there is some deal already in place for Shanahan. Just a feeling I have. Shanahan probably refused to take the job mid season saying he won't be able to fix it until off season when he can bring in his coach's he needs and wants and players for his system.

I thought Cowher might take the job sense his daughter went to like George Mason or something like that. He would be relatively close for any activities she might be a part of but I think all that has cooled. I don't see him working for the Browns. He has a decent image and it's all over the Steelers, he would piss off a lot of people if he jumped ship to the Browns. I can see him heading west or working for a NFC team which would not be a Steeler rival. Perhaps Carolina which has been a topic of discussion.

Mooch. Hmm. Wasn't he interviewed for the job the last go around and eventually he stated he turned the opportunity down? Again I just don't see Mooch leaving the west coast and working for DS. Not a bad pick if he has the right help other wise pass.

Fassel is always a candidate. He is despirate to get back into football. Snubbed twice and I bet he would interview again for the job. It's not that I don't like him, it's just I don't like him. I never saw what he brought to the table for the Giants. I wondered through his yrs there why the Giants held on to him so long. Pass.

Billick. Honeslty he reminds me of Fassel. He might not tolerate being interviewed and snubbed even once but he always seemed to struggle with the Ravens offense. Oh their defenses were #1 but how much of that was his DC's doing. Billick just couldn't get an offense to take flight.

Ok so "if" my personal feeling about these candidates were remotely close, now who do we pick? I don't know. I have made no bones about who I think they should bring in but I also know they won't. Marty would put the prima dona's in their places and be able to tell DS he's not going to tolerate his meddling. Plus Marty is supposed to be good friends with him now since DS's wife had her breast cancer and Marty gave him a name of a good doctor. Both have the wives and cancer issues in common so their would be something in common. Having said that would DS actually eat crow and bring in Marty....most likely no. I'd be supprised if he did.

Other then that I don't know who would be a candidate. I guess getting the top notch GM would be better and letting him bring in a HC he knows he can count on.

[skinsguy]

I honestly thought it was a mistake getting rid of Marty S. in the first place. That was the type of structure the Redskins needed.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I honestly thought it was a mistake getting rid of Marty S. in the first place. That was the type of structure the Redskins needed.

i'm positive we would have won atleast 1 superbowl if Snyder had stuck with marty for the past 10 years. by all accounts the man is arrogant and hard to get along with, but his record speaks for itself. i think if we had had some sort of "buffer" between marty and snyder things would have gone much differently than they have.

[SmootSmack]

Shanahan's rep as a front office exec is highly questionable at best. Also, because of his failures in the front office his teams barely scraped by in a relatively weak division (in my opinion).

Also, it seems like a lock that he will bring in Slowik as DC and his son as Assistant Head Coach-OC. I like Kyle, not totally sold on Slowik.

Either way, as a head coach I think Shanahan is one of the better ones out there. But if he came here we're most likely talking about bringing him in to be in charge of our personnel as well...which I'm not as comfortable with.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

According to Keim, Snyder doesn't want Cowher, not the other way around - which is strange, because i feel he is, by far, the #1 HC prospect out there. I wonder if Cowher has said something publicaly or privately that bruised Snyders ego or something. Keim also agrees that Gruden is out of consideration.

What Gruden's deal means for Redskins | Washington Examiner

Holmgren has removed himself from consideration, so at this point, shanahan is really the only guy out there that we have a chance of getting... and i don't like that one bit. Our options really are very very limited right now. I don't know why Billick and Mooch are even in consideration. They'd both be worse than Zorn.