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Old 01-05-2010, 01:00 PM   #1
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PFT was saying the rumor is MORE than $10 mil per year. That is just retarded money. And, unless we have to fire him "for cause," (thank you Al Davis) that money is all guaranteed. So if Shanny crashes and burns, we're deeper in the hole than ever...
What hole? No salary cap on coaches -- it's DS' money, and he can spend it any way he wants... Not a lot of resistance to hiring Shanahan on this site or anywhere around town. So who really cares about money for coaches?
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PFT was saying the rumor is MORE than $10 mil per year. That is just retarded money. And, unless we have to fire him "for cause," (thank you Al Davis) that money is all guaranteed. So if Shanny crashes and burns, we're deeper in the hole than ever...

Why? That makes no sense. Will we not be able to ever hire a coach again?
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PFT was saying the rumor is MORE than $10 mil per year. That is just retarded money. And, unless we have to fire him "for cause," (thank you Al Davis) that money is all guaranteed. So if Shanny crashes and burns, we're deeper in the hole than ever...
Some of you guys kill me with the whinning, This guy is proven, he will make us a contender, his Offensive mine is never i question, has never been, he only has been out for 1 year, and you are worth whatever you can get.... any doubt that he knows how to make the best out of average players, Look a Cutler, he looks average now without Shanahan, mike bell is a back up in N.O. Clinton portis, has been solid, but never that top running back we thought he was at Denver.... Please let the man come in and do his magic.....
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PFT was saying the rumor is MORE than $10 mil per year. That is just retarded money. And, unless we have to fire him "for cause," (thank you Al Davis) that money is all guaranteed. So if Shanny crashes and burns, we're deeper in the hole than ever...
why? Snyder is loaded to the gills, and has already proven he will spend money.
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why? Snyder is loaded to the gills, and has already proven he will spend money.
Plus, he wants to win. It's worth the money to finally succeed as an owner. I'm sure we won't be whining about the money as Shanahan is hoisting the Lombardi.
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PFT was saying the rumor is MORE than $10 mil per year. That is just retarded money. And, unless we have to fire him "for cause," (thank you Al Davis) that money is all guaranteed. So if Shanny crashes and burns, we're deeper in the hole than ever...
shanahan's teams have never been perennial contenders like Cowhers, but he's never "crashed and burned." his teams were generally "in the mix" in weeks 14-17. the big positive of signing shanahan to a large, garaunteed contract is we will have stability on offense for atleast 5 years. with that stability, hopefully we can develop a franchise QB and put points up on the board regularly.

in the worst-case scenario with shanahan, we're trading a perennial top 10 defense for a perennial top 10 offense. We'll also have a team run by someone who is an unquestioned leader.

I am still adamant that Cowher is a far superior coach to Shanahan and we should be doing everything possible to sign him instead. That said, locking Shanahan up for 5 years and making it next to impossible for Snyder to grow impatient and fire him early is "the next best thing." its certainly a step in the right direction.
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shanahan's teams have never been perennial contenders like Cowhers, but he's never "crashed and burned." his teams were generally "in the mix" in weeks 14-17. the big positive of signing shanahan to a large, garaunteed contract is we will have stability on offense for atleast 5 years. with that stability, hopefully we can develop a franchise QB and put points up on the board regularly.

in the worst-case scenario with shanahan, we're trading a perennial top 10 defense for a perennial top 10 offense. We'll also have a team run by someone who is an unquestioned leader.

I am still adamant that Cowher is a far superior coach to Shanahan and we should be doing everything possible to sign him instead. That said, locking Shanahan up for 5 years and making it next to impossible for Snyder to grow impatient and fire him early is "the next best thing." its certainly a step in the right direction.
Cowher isn't that great... I don't see anyone beating down his door, to coach their team, what it took him 13 years to win a Superbowl, if the Rooney's wern't so patient, he would have been fired by any other organiztion, have anyone thought, outside of buffalo, no team has come running his way, all summer I have been hearing about teams that possilbly wanted Shanny. By the way Mike Tomlin did in two years what it took Cow-herd to do in 13, his staff is great, that's why some are still in Pittsburg..... if you put a great D, which is what we have, with a Shannahan offense, what you go is a year in and year out..... top 10 team. and maybe a couple of Superbowls?
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shanahan's teams have never been perennial contenders like Cowhers, but he's never "crashed and burned." his teams were generally "in the mix" in weeks 14-17. the big positive of signing shanahan to a large, garaunteed contract is we will have stability on offense for atleast 5 years. with that stability, hopefully we can develop a franchise QB and put points up on the board regularly.

in the worst-case scenario with shanahan, we're trading a perennial top 10 defense for a perennial top 10 offense. We'll also have a team run by someone who is an unquestioned leader.

I am still adamant that Cowher is a far superior coach to Shanahan and we should be doing everything possible to sign him instead. That said, locking Shanahan up for 5 years and making it next to impossible for Snyder to grow impatient and fire him early is "the next best thing." its certainly a step in the right direction.
Cowher is "far superior" to Shanny? I don't know about that. In terms of notoriety, their marquee status, I'd say they're about even, with Shanahan getting the edge with two Lombardi trophies to Cowher's one. Cowher's team had the classic Super Bowl hangover -- Mike did it back to back, and that's tough to do no matter who your QB is.

If Shanahan is your "worst case scenario", I'd say you're in for quite a disappointment.
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Career record 138-90-0 (Regular Season)
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146-95-0 (Overall)
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149-90-1 (regular season record)
12-9 (playoff record)
161-99-1 (overall record)
I don't get the facination of Cowher over Shanahan. Their records are similar?

During play offs Cowher has a .75% and Shanahan has a .625%. So Cowher also played more games. roughly about 10 more games during the regular season and 8 more in play off situations. Cowher has 8 more games to work with in the play offs he should have a better % then Shanahan. During regular season Cohwer had a .615% and Shanahan had a .650%. Cowher had like 10 more games. He should have a better % but didn't during the regular season.

Shanahan has won 3 SB's
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1998 Super Bowl XXXIII
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Cowher won 1 SB
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Super Bowl XL victory (2005)
Shanahan was in 5 championship games in which they won:
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1997 AFC Championship
1994 NFC Championship
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1987 AFC Championship
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I love all the fluff for Cowher but I really don't see that the difference is all that great but if you ask me Shanahan has more playoffs and SB's. Am I missing something? One would think you go with the best coach, the coach that has a better chance of taking you to the playoffs, one that has been there more often, and the one that has won more? But to grasp at anything to be able to play Cowher as being the better HC people say Shanahan only did it with a pro bowl QB or a Hall of Fame QB. Nice. I hope you guys can come up with a better arguement then that. Dan Marino is a Hall of Fame QB and he has not won a SB. So I guess all of his coach's sucked.

I'm warming to the idea of Shanahan. I'm atleast giving it the idea it will work. As opposed to Zorn which I was unsure about and a lot of people were all excited about cause he was supposed to be the no name up and commer. The next JG's. Yeah.
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I don't get the facination of Cowher over Shanahan. Their records are similar?

During play offs Cowher has a .75% and Shanahan has a .625%. So Cowher also played more games. roughly about 10 more games during the regular season and 8 more in play off situations. Cowher has 8 more games to work with in the play offs he should have a better % then Shanahan. During regular season Cohwer had a .615% and Shanahan had a .650%. Cowher had like 10 more games. He should have a better % but didn't during the regular season.

Shanahan has won 3 SB's


Cowher won 1 SB


Shanahan was in 5 championship games in which they won:


Cowher was in 2 championship games:


I love all the fluff for Cowher but I really don't see that the difference is all that great but if you ask me Shanahan has more playoffs and SB's. Am I missing something? One would think you go with the best coach, the coach that has a better chance of taking you to the playoffs, one that has been there more often, and the one that has won more? But to grasp at anything to be able to play Cowher as being the better HC people say Shanahan only did it with a pro bowl QB or a Hall of Fame QB. Nice. I hope you guys can come up with a better arguement then that. Dan Marino is a Hall of Fame QB and he has not won a SB. So I guess all of his coach's sucked.

I'm warming to the idea of Shanahan. I'm atleast giving it the idea it will work. As opposed to Zorn which I was unsure about and a lot of people were all excited about cause he was supposed to be the no name up and commer. The next JG's. Yeah.

Cowher has more playoff games to work with in the scenario because he actuall WON playoff games and could ummm... whats the word?... ADVANCE in the playoffs. Shanahan had just as many "opportunities" yet he didn't capitalize on them. Cowher got BETTER as his career progressed. Shanahan got worse.
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Cowher has more playoff games to work with in the scenario because he actuall WON playoff games and could ummm... whats the word?... ADVANCE in the playoffs. Shanahan had just as many "opportunities" yet he didn't capitalize on them.
Again maybe I'm missing something. Cowher had about 10 more games across the board. He should have had more chances. But I guess your talking about winning the season and making it to the Championship game.... Hmmm Shanahan has won more? That means Cowher basically out of all the times he supposedly went he only won 2? He sounds like the Cowboys right now. Been to the play offs many of times but can't get past the first round. I'd rather have a HC who can get past the Championship round.

I think it's funny. I wanted Shottenheimer and every said no he sucks he can't get past the Championship round. But you'll take Cowher who can't simply cause he offers more chances? Shottenheimer offered more chances also but he supposedly sucked.
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Again maybe I'm missing something. Cowher had about 10 more games across the board. He should have had more chances. But I guess your talking about winning the season and making it to the Championship game.... Hmmm Shanahan has won more? That means Cowher basically out of all the times he supposedly went he only won 2? He sounds like the Cowboys right now. Been to the play offs many of times but can't get past the first round. I'd rather have a HC who can get past the Championship round.

I think it's funny. I wanted Shottenheimer and every said no he sucks he can't get past the Championship round. But you'll take Cowher who can't simply cause he offers more chances? Shottenheimer offered more chances also but he supposedly sucked.
you are missing something. The 10 more games accross the board is the result of one extra season of coaching... resulting in 1 additional potential season for a playoff appearance.

As i stated over and over again, cowhers teams not only made the playoffs more times than shanahan (66% of the time vs 47%), but when his teams made the playoffs, they actually won games. shanahan didnt. there's an even greater disparity if you look at just the last 3, 5 and 10 years. Shanahan had most of his success early in his career. cowher had more success recently. its a "what have you done for me lately" league and cowhers done MUCH more lately. Both are better than Zorn, but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.
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but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.
i think statements like this, or "its not even debateable that cowher is better than shanahan" come off as ignorant.
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you are missing something. The 10 more games accross the board is the result of one extra season of coaching... resulting in 1 additional potential season for a playoff appearance.

As i stated over and over again, cowhers teams not only made the playoffs more times than shanahan (66% of the time vs 47%), but when his teams made the playoffs, they actually won games. shanahan didnt. there's an even greater disparity if you look at just the last 3, 5 and 10 years. Shanahan had most of his success early in his career. cowher had more success recently. its a "what have you done for me lately" league and cowhers done MUCH more lately. Both are better than Zorn, but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.
I see what your getting at but I still wouldn't say "immensely" better. As much as it's a "what have you done for me lately" it's also a "prove your worth" league. In other words Shanahan has gotten to and won more championships and SB's vs. Cowher. I don't think it matters if it was 10yrs ago or 4yrs ago. Everyone was excited about JG2 cause he was a proven commodity and has gotten to the big house. I'd say both Cowher and Shanahan are proven commodities but Shanahan has gotten to the big house more often not simply had a chance and didn't make it.
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you are missing something. The 10 more games accross the board is the result of one extra season of coaching... resulting in 1 additional potential season for a playoff appearance.

As i stated over and over again, cowhers teams not only made the playoffs more times than shanahan (66% of the time vs 47%), but when his teams made the playoffs, they actually won games. shanahan didnt. there's an even greater disparity if you look at just the last 3, 5 and 10 years. Shanahan had most of his success early in his career. cowher had more success recently. its a "what have you done for me lately" league and cowhers done MUCH more lately. Both are better than Zorn, but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.
Dude, Shanahan was 8-5 in the playoffs. Again, he won 8 games in the playoffs.

You cannot say Shanahan didn't win in the playoffs.

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"Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan."
Once again -- check the trophy case. Shanahan: 2, Cowher: 1

Advantage: Shanahan.
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