Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

[12thMan]

I'm going with a no, and I consider myself a staunch Campbell supporter. But it was something about the Dallas game that said to me this guy, even given all the right pieces, will only get marginally better. Like I said in the other thread, Campbell does a lot of things okay, but not one thing great. And by now, good offensive line or not, you should be able to have something that you are great at as an NFL quarterback. My biggest criticism of Campbell is that he lacks football instincts. No amount of coaching can compensate for that.

Furthermore, this team has only won 4 games this season. I think you could put Jeff Garcia at the helm and get similiar, if not better results.

[12thMan]

One more thing, let's no confuse me not wanting him to come back with if he does, I think he can succeed. So if Campbell indeed returns, I'm okay with that too. But I'd much rather the team move on and seek other solutions at the QB position.

And no, Colt Brennan is not the answer!

[SmootSmack]

The offensive line's struggles are too often a crutch or an excuse for Campbell's own struggles.

I struggle with this because I know it's not really Campbell's fault where he was drafted. But you don't trade multiple picks to get into the first round to draft a QB that can play well if everything around him is running smoothly. You spend a 6th round pick on a QB out of Washington State to do that.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The offensive line's struggles are too often a crutch or an excuse for Campbell's own struggles.

I struggle with this because I know it's not really Campbell's fault where he was drafted. But you don't trade multiple picks to get into the first round to draft a QB that can play well if everything around him is running smoothly. You spend a 6th round pick on a QB out of Washington State to do that.

Agreed, but it's not like our O-line is just below average. They are absolutely god awful. Most of the time he doesn't even have time to plant his back foot. You mentioned in an earlier post (I think in the Smackdown thread) about Jason rushing throws and missing throws. It's kind of understandable that he would rush his progressions at times with the lack of protection he's had.

See, with Jason, the problem has been we're always switching systems, and when we decide to stick with a system, we provide him with an out and out joke of an O-line. We've set him up to fail repeatedly. I absolutely want to see what he can do in 2010 under Shanahan and a with a GM who will put a premium on finding him some protection.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Agreed, but it's not like our O-line is just below average. They are absolutely god awful. Most of the time he doesn't even have time to plant his back foot. You mentioned in an earlier post (I think in the Smackdown thread) about Jason rushing throws and missing throws. It's kind of understandable that he would rush his progressions at times with the lack of protection he's had.

See, with Jason, the problem has been we're always switching systems, and when we decide to stick with a system, we provide him with an out and out joke of an O-line. We've set him up to fail repeatedly. I absolutely want to see what he can do in 2010 under Shanahan and a with a GM who will put a premium on finding him some protection.

and this is where I dissagree with all the pundits. JC, although not the starter had what 3-4 years under Gibbs? I know Al was brought in but it was essentally the same system. It would be like bringing in Holmgren's WCO for 4 yrs then switching to Gruden. People would not be saying "oh we are changing systems again". I mean look at what some of you guys have said...."Atleast if we bring in Shanahan we are staying in a similar system WCO".

then we brought in Zorn who did actually change the system. JC has had 2 yrs in that system. How long does it take for a QB to feel comfortable in any given system? 2yrs. 4yrs. more?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by smootsmack

the offensive line's struggles are too often a crutch or an excuse for campbell's own struggles.

I struggle with this because i know it's not really campbell's fault where he was drafted. But you don't trade multiple picks to get into the first round to draft a qb that can play well if everything around him is running smoothly. You spend a 6th round pick on a qb out of washington state to do that.

mark rypien super bowl mvp!!!!!!!!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

mark rypien super bowl mvp!!!!!!!!

At least somebody got it

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The offensive line's struggles are too often a crutch or an excuse for Campbell's own struggles.

I struggle with this because I know it's not really Campbell's fault where he was drafted. But you don't trade multiple picks to get into the first round to draft a QB that can play well if everything around him is running smoothly. You spend a 6th round pick on a QB out of Washington State to do that.

Are you implying that we should have spent a 6th round pick on Alex Brink?

[Paintrain]

Not to derail this thread but for the NO folks out there, let's say you get your wish and he doesn't return. Who do you envision under center for the Redskins for the next 3 years and what is your confidence level that they will be better?

How much of this is the 80-20 rule meaning the most you will ever get is 80% of what you want from someone but many continue to chase that elusive 20% but never find it.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Not to derail this thread but for the NO folks out there, let's say you get your wish and he doesn't return. Who do you envision under center for the Redskins for the next 3 years and what is your confidence level that they will be better?

How much of this is the 80-20 rule meaning the most you will ever get is 80% of what you want from someone but many continue to chase that elusive 20% but never find it.

Well seeing that we are currently sitting at four wins with the quarterback of the future leading the team, I'll take my chances on a new face. Even if we brought in a rookie, I doubt this team could do worse than four wins.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Not to derail this thread but for the NO folks out there, let's say you get your wish and he doesn't return. Who do you envision under center for the Redskins for the next 3 years and what is your confidence level that they will be better?

How much of this is the 80-20 rule meaning the most you will ever get is 80% of what you want from someone but many continue to chase that elusive 20% but never find it.

I am 100% certain whoever they bring in can do as good as JC did this year. I am 85% confident that person will play better than JC this year.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Not to derail this thread but for the NO folks out there, let's say you get your wish and he doesn't return. Who do you envision under center for the Redskins for the next 3 years and what is your confidence level that they will be better?

How much of this is the 80-20 rule meaning the most you will ever get is 80% of what you want from someone but many continue to chase that elusive 20% but never find it.

3 Years? So you'r saying you want JC for 3 more yrs? Campbell has had multiple chances to prove his worth. I like him as a player, he's a gamer but we have had this guy for long enough.. His poor decisions and bad pocket awareness kills me, it's like he never see's a BLITZ coming. It's not only this year, it's all the time. He never completes passes deep down field, and his motion is terrible. I'm 85% sure he won't be here next season and to be honest I don't think he wants to stay .

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Not to derail this thread but for the NO folks out there, let's say you get your wish and he doesn't return. Who do you envision under center for the Redskins for the next 3 years and what is your confidence level that they will be better?

How much of this is the 80-20 rule meaning the most you will ever get is 80% of what you want from someone but many continue to chase that elusive 20% but never find it.

Well lets look at it this way.... Many teams out there said they didn't have JC on their radar and wondered why the Skins did? Most of the pundits after the draft said JC probably would have gone 4th round or later "IF" he was even drafted at all.

I think we are honestly gettig what most teams figured JC to provide...80% or less. We have been chasing the other 20% as you put it "with" JC. So if he's not going to be able to over come the other 20 or even give us 10% more then we might as well move on.

I'm not a Colt fan. I think he will throw too many interceptions, but take a look at Favre. I know I'll get blasted for the comparison but he was picked by Atlanta and they found they could not change his throwing motion. found he throws too many interceptions. So they trade him to Green Bay and he developed into a great QB. He might to well he might not. I'd honestly like to see us find a way to pick Chase back up and have both going into 2010. Plus a drafted QB of Shanahan's choice for his system.

I also am a believer that our QB problem is partially Zorn or rather the QB coach. I know people will say he was supposed to be the best and look what he did with Hasslebach (sp) but I think partially everything that has gone wrong is Zorn trying to change all the QB's throwing motion to include JC, and Colt. Green Bay let Favre be Favre. So what if he had a screwed up throwing motion he could make all the throws. Think about it... what if someone came up to us older folks and said from now on instead of putting your hands at 10 and 2 o'clock you now will have to put your hands at 8 and 4 o'clock? I know they are teaching the latter in school now due to the air bags but I was taught 10 and 2 and I have great difficulty with the other position. Zorn has tried to force JC as well as Colt to change their throwing motion. One in which they have had from a kid through high school, through college, and now into the pros. They have muscle memory with where and when to release the ball with the throwing motion they have used for years and it's worked fine for them. Then Zorn comes in and not only do they have to remember how many steps to back up from the line of scrimmage due to timing, they have to read the defense, and look for an open receiver. Then you throw in the fact that Zorn wants them holding the ball a certain way and throwing the ball a certain way.

I just think the change in throwing motion should have happened back in high school or college. If they don't have the throwing motion you like don't draft them or let them throw they way they have for years and see if they will work out in your system or not. Again it all goes back to trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

[SmootSmack]

I'm not sure who I envision under center.

But let's say it's Bradford, I'm not convinced that in 3 years we'll be a better team with Campbell behind center than him.

It's a good question, Pain. Something I don't easily have the answer to

[MTK]

Look at what Shanahan did for someone like Jake Plummer. He had his best years under him, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think Shanahan could work wonders with JC, assuming he wants him as his QB.