Shanahan The New Head Coach Of the Redskins

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Executive vice president of football operations. What a joke. Florios comments mirror my own. Different people. Same old redskins.

Some folks will never be happy.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Executive vice president of football operations. What a joke. Florios comments mirror my own. Different people. Same old redskins.

For real...it should have been Bill Cowher EVP of Football Operations. Right!

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

For real...it should have been Bill Cowher EVP of Football Operations. Right!

The Cowher thing isnt the big deal here - the big deal is that Snyder is still running the show and nothing has changed. If Snyder wasn't going to be involved, Shanahan would have had the title of Team President. Hence my comment about different people / same story.

Its clearly evident that Snyder wanted Shanahan all along. Shanahan approved of Allen so Snyder put on a pretense of changing his ways by hiring a "real GM" and letting him make all the football decisions. But we don't have a real GM. Like Vinny before him, Allen is just carrying out Snyder's bidding. If Allen were a "real GM," he would have interviewed multiple head coaching candidates. But Snyder wanted Shanahan so that's the only person who was "interviewed."

Everyone can celebrate all they want now, but time will prove that Snyder hasn't changed one bit. It'll be 2001 all over again.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

The Cowher thing isnt the big deal here - the big deal is that Snyder is still running the show and nothing has changed. If Snyder wasn't going to be involved, Shanahan would have had the title of Team President. Hence my comment about different people / same story.

Its clearly evident that Snyder wanted Shanahan all along. Shanahan approved of Allen so Snyder put on a pretense of changing his ways by hiring a "real GM" and letting him make all the football decisions. But we don't have a real GM. Like Vinny before him, Allen is just carrying out Snyder's bidding. If Allen were a "real GM," he would have interviewed multiple head coaching candidates. But Snyder wanted Shanahan so that's the only person who was "interviewed."

Everyone can celebrate all they want now, but time will prove that Snyder hasn't changed one bit. It'll be 2001 all over again.

I wouldn't get too hung up on titles.

Who's to say Allen's first choice wasn't also Shanahan?

GM does not always = main decision maker. There are plenty of GMs around the league that are involved in the decison making process of their clubs, but are not the end all voice.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I wouldn't get too hung up on titles.

Who's to say Allen's first choice wasn't also Shanahan?

GM does not always = main decision maker. There are plenty of GMs around the league that are involved in the decison making process of their clubs, but are not the end all voice.

I'm sure it was his first choice. The only reason Allen was hired is because thats what Snyder and Shanahan had already worked out. I'm sure Allen had no freedom to hire anyone else. Shanahan will definitely be a more successful coach than Zorn. There's no denying it. But the fundamental change we'd all hoped would happen to our organization didnt happen. For the life of me, i can't understand how so many redskins fans are buying that it has. Mike Wilbon, Mark Maske, and Rick Snider aren't buying it and neither am I.

Don't beleive the hype.

Rick Snider: When it comes to Snyder backing down, don't believe the hype | Washington Examiner

[Monksdown]

I for one am glad we've got an experienced head coach and successfull GM now guiding our ship. I don't know the man, and neither do any of you, but you really need to back off of blaming Dan Snyder for everything. I wonder how many of you would relinquish most of the control of a billion dollar company that are heavily vested in. It's unrealistic to think that Snyder will ever be out of the picture when it comes to spending HIS money. The good news is that he's finally surrounded himself with a supporting cast that is talented, experienced, and currently relevant to the NFL(ala, not Joe Gibbs). Good management surrounds itself with good people. And now that he has shaken loose of his professional relationship with Cerrato, i feel more confident that he's aware of it.

Stop asking Snyder to stay out of his own business. It's a futile complaint, that will continue to persist i know. I just wish there weren't so many of you that thought it was realistic. Get over it, let's move on and accept his involvement. Here's a novel idea, let's support Dan Snyder with more than our dollars. I am going to try to trust and beleive that a fellow Redskins fan(the owner), wants to win possibly even more so than i do.

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

The Cowher thing isnt the big deal here - the big deal is that Snyder is still running the show and nothing has changed. If Snyder wasn't going to be involved, Shanahan would have had the title of Team President. Hence my comment about different people / same story.

Its clearly evident that Snyder wanted Shanahan all along. Shanahan approved of Allen so Snyder put on a pretense of changing his ways by hiring a "real GM" and letting him make all the football decisions. But we don't have a real GM. Like Vinny before him, Allen is just carrying out Snyder's bidding. If Allen were a "real GM," he would have interviewed multiple head coaching candidates. But Snyder wanted Shanahan so that's the only person who was "interviewed."

Everyone can celebrate all they want now, but time will prove that Snyder hasn't changed one bit. It'll be 2001 all over again.

YOu can't honestly believe this garbage. Shanahan wouldn't have even came here if that was the case. He has complete control when he was in Denver. I highly doubt that a coach of he status would even consider coming here if he wasn't going to have full control. The reason Snyder wanted Shanahan to come here is because he was the best coach available. Plus, Snyder wasn't the only person that wanted Shanahan. Me and a lot other Redskin fans did as well.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Executive vice president of football operations. What a joke. Florios comments mirror my own. Different people. Same old redskins.

How would Cowher have made it any different?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

How would Cowher have made it any different?

Shanahan is the coach, for better or worse. My issue is with the entire hiring process (which clearly showed Snyder selected the coach, not the GM) and his title - the same one vinny used to have. To me, its very telling that neither Shanahan or Allen have a Team President Title. No matter what is said in press conferences, Snyder is reserving final say for himself and he'll be just as involved as ever.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Shanahan is the coach, for better or worse. My issue is with the entire hiring process (which clearly showed Snyder selected the coach, not the GM) and his title - the same one vinny used to have. To me, its very telling that neither Shanahan or Allen have a Team President Title. No matter what is said in press conferences, Snyder is reserving final say for himself and he'll be just as involved as ever.

I've seen nothing to indicate that Snyder has final say over anything. Knowing how Shanahan operates, I highly doubt he would come here under those circumstances.

The fact that Allen and Shanahan both have the Exec. VP title only indicates to me they will be working together.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Shanahan is the coach, for better or worse. My issue is with the entire hiring process (which clearly showed Snyder selected the coach, not the GM) and his title - the same one vinny used to have. To me, its very telling that neither Shanahan or Allen have a Team President Title. No matter what is said in press conferences, Snyder is reserving final say for himself and he'll be just as involved as ever.

I'm pretty sure when Gibbs retired he retained the Team President title but as Matty said titles are irrelevant.

So are you implying that if your favorite, Cowher, was being hired and introduced today that you'd have a different opinion of the 'process'? You're all over the place with your quarrels with the hire. First it was Shananhan was nothing without Elway, then it was his record, now it's the process.

Are you a sommelier because you sure seem to know a lot about whine.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm pretty sure when Gibbs retired he retained the Team President title but as Matty said titles are irrelevant.

So are you implying that if your favorite, Cowher, was being hired and introduced today that you'd have a different opinion of the 'process'? You're all over the place with your quarrels with the hire. First it was Shananhan was nothing without Elway, then it was his record, now it's the process.

Are you a sommelier because you sure seem to know a lot about whine.

If Cowher had been hired i'd be happier with the head coaching selection, but just as dismayed at the hiring process and the front office structure. as ive said, my gripe isnt the hire itself, its how the process played out and what that tells us about who's really running the show.

as far as being "all over the place," i apologize for not putting all my gripes in one post at the same time. unfortunately, i could not see the future and know in advance what new information would become available and reveal. i'm sure in the days and months ahead, when we start hearing rumblings about snyder meddling and butting heads with shanahan, i'll have even more to complain about. Snyder may have fooled you, but he hasn't fooled me.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm pretty sure when Gibbs retired he retained the Team President title but as Matty said titles are irrelevant.

So are you implying that if your favorite, Cowher, was being hired and introduced today that you'd have a different opinion of the 'process'? You're all over the place with your quarrels with the hire. First it was Shananhan was nothing without Elway, then it was his record, now it's the process.

Are you a sommelier because you sure seem to know a lot about whine.

lol great points

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Shanahan is the coach, for better or worse. My issue is with the entire hiring process (which clearly showed Snyder selected the coach, not the GM) and his title - the same one vinny used to have. To me, its very telling that neither Shanahan or Allen have a Team President Title. No matter what is said in press conferences, Snyder is reserving final say for himself and he'll be just as involved as ever.

Ok, I'll come over to your house and make some changes, don't worry I won't bother you with any of the changes I'm making since clearly you being the owner don't need to have any say in what happens.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok, I'll come over to your house and make some changes, don't worry I won't bother you with any of the changes I'm making since clearly you being the owner don't need to have any say in what happens.

as the owner of the house, i hire you to do a specific job. lets say you're fixing a broken A/C unit. I'll open the door, show you to the A/C unit, and then stay the hell out of your way and let you do your job. I might watch for a little bit out of curiosity, but other than that, the only thing i'm going to do is pay you. Snyder, on the other hand, would want to sit over your shoulder, watch everything you do, make suggestions on how you should do your job, etc.