Kurt Warner announces retirement after 12 seasons

[GTripp0012]

He would go out a top five quarterback.

I think Warner will get his hall of fame due when he comes eligible, but I don't think people realize just how good this guy was. I don't think there have been ten better quarterbacks to ever play the game of football. Certainly not since the merger.

[SolidSnake84]

I took full offense from your post about Christians....but honestly, in the NFL as far as starters go, who else sets an example like him? A good guy who isnt an extremist...im just saying those kind of guys are hard to come by.....

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I took full offense from your post about Christians....but honestly, in the NFL as far as starters go, who else sets an example like him? A good guy who isnt an extremist...im just saying those kind of guys are hard to come by.....

Sorry not trying to offend anyone. But how about Fletcher as a great example. There are tons of guys that do great things that are starters in this league. Kurt and LT both set great examples of being a Christian. Just like Pacman and Tank Johnson set great examples of being a thug. The difference is Kurt and LT are also good humanitarians. If Kurt was a atheist or a Hindu and his off the field work was otherwise the same in my eyes he would be just as classy of a guy. Being a good Christian doesn’t make you better or worse in my book.

And sorry to everyone else. I don’t want to take away from this thread anymore. I will refrain from talking about any more religious stuff in this thread……

[Swarley]

If you're going to make that assumption you must also ask this question. Did Manning benefit more from having all those receivers or did all those receivers benefit from having Manning at QB? My guess is that it's a fair bit of both so it's really a non point. No QB will be succesful without good teammates. Brady didnt have elite WR's for years but he always had a great O-line that kept him upright for the most part. The ideal situation is to have a good QB with good weapons because every QB falls off to a certain extent without them.

[Chevy13]

Why Kurt Warner Is NOT a Hall of Famer | Bleacher Report

This article talks about this and to be honest I like Warner and I think he's a good QB. Yes most of the great QBs had good WRs but Warner didn't just have good players around him he had great players that obviously helped. Even with these great players sometimes he still couldn't win as mentioned in the article. He averages 2.03 fumbles/int per start and he has had some great WRs and one of the great RB. Now imagine what his numbers would be if he wasn't blessed with GREAT talent around him? I think he's obviously better than just average which is why even Leinart can't do the same with the same talent around him cause he sucks and Warner is a good QB but I don't think we would be having any conversations of him being a HOF if he didn't have atleast 3-4 WRs that will also be HOF. I think there's a reason he gets benched by every team he plays for and if you look at his numbers he's had only around 5 good years the rest were mediocre-horrible. In my eyes he's not a HOF but I think he's a good QB who looked like a HOF with the talent around him and still sometimes looked bad with the same talent. Just read the article, it's interesting and its hard to ignore the bad parts of his career. I think without the talent around him he'd be ok but no where near where he is but he's a good story...

[jamf]

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do you discredit Montana for having Rice and Taylor? What about Bradshaw?

The Cardinals wouldnt have a playoff win in the last two years if Warner wasn't there.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Chevy13

Why Kurt Warner Is NOT a Hall of Famer | Bleacher Report

This article talks about this and to be honest I like Warner and I think he's a good QB. Yes most of the great QBs had good WRs but Warner didn't just have good players around him he had great players that obviously helped. Even with these great players sometimes he still couldn't win as mentioned in the article. He averages 2.03 fumbles/int per start and he has had some great WRs and one of the great RB. Now imagine what his numbers would be if he wasn't blessed with GREAT talent around him? I think he's obviously better than just average which is why even Leinart can't do the same with the same talent around him cause he sucks and Warner is a good QB but I don't think we would be having any conversations of him being a HOF if he didn't have atleast 3-4 WRs that will also be HOF. I think there's a reason he gets benched by every team he plays for and if you look at his numbers he's had only around 5 good years the rest were mediocre-horrible. In my eyes he's not a HOF but I think he's a good QB who looked like a HOF with the talent around him and still sometimes looked bad with the same talent. Just read the article, it's interesting and its hard to ignore the bad parts of his career. I think without the talent around him he'd be ok but no where near where he is but he's a good story...

3-4 hof wrs ? i don't think so, maybe 1.

almost every hof qb had very good wrs.think of almost any hof qb and i bet you can also think of a great wr to go along. hof qbs and hof wrs kinda go hand-n- hand.

[Chevy13]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

3-4 hof wrs ? i don't think so, maybe 1.

almost every hof qb had very good wrs.think of almost any hof qb and i bet you can also think of a great wr to go along. hof qbs and hof wrs kinda go hand-n- hand.

Sorry but he had more than one just on the Rams... Fitz isn't there yet but he's a beast and I woulnd't be surpised if he gets in too. Yes ALMOST every HOF QB has good receiver because I know no one can do it alone but he had a couple HOF WRs and a HOF RB on the same team (where his best years were). I can understand people that think he's a HOFer but I'm just giving you my opinion he had not only talented receivers like Fitz and Boldin but he had 2 other HOF WRs with the Rams plus Faulk, and like I said he still had horrible times with all that talent. Even with the Rams he had a year where he had 3TDs and 11Int before being benched for either an injury or bad play I don't remember and another year where he had 18Int to 21TDs. He had his awsome years and like I said I can see why people would call him a HOFer but for as many yrs he had equally as many or more horrible years. He's a great story and I wish him the best, hell I hope he's a first ballot HOF he's a good guy and it's not not like I'm wishing he doesn't make it. I just dont think he's a HOF but that's just me. It's really none of my bussiness who makes it or doesn't I won't lose any sleep if he does or doesn't so why not let him in

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Chevy13

he had 3TDs and 11Int and another year where he had 18Int to 21TDs. I won't lose any sleep if he does or doesn't so why not let him in

most great qbs have a few bad seasons, heck, brett favre leads the nfl in ints. i won't lose sleep either regarless of if he makes it or not but imo warner is a lock to make it.

[wolfeskins]

a few of warner's stats or facts

two time nfl mvp
one time superbowl mvp
four time probowl selection
9-4 playoff record
2nd qb in history to start for two different superbowl teams
2nd qb in nfl history to throw for more than 100 tds for two different teams
has a higher completion % than any hof qb in the last 25 years
fastest player to reach 10,000 yds passing
tied dan morino as the fastest to reach 30,000 yards
top 3 passing games in superbowl history

[skinsfan69]

I am not a stat guy but I saw one on NFL network about Warner that blew me away. Warner is 4th all time in 300 yard passing games. That is just simply amazing considering the amount of games he's started. Plus he leads w/ 7 300 yard passing games in the playoffs. Sorry but not just anyone can do that. Think of all the great passers that played a long time that he's ahead of in this category...Fouts, Moon, Elway, Kelly...the guy was a pure stud. I always wished that when Gibbs came back in 04 that he would've tried to make a run for him instead of Brunell. He was out there for anyone to sign in 04 and 05.

[MTK]

Bottom line... nobody does it alone.

[SolidSnake84]

I wanted to tell MLPETERT, that i wasnt offended in the way that it was personal or anything like that...but after re-reading his posts, i get the message..christian people shouldnt like him SOLELY because of his religion...i get what he was trying to say.

[Bushead]

Warner has had a good career. If he had faded into oblivion after the Rams, I believe he wasn't Hall of Fame material, but after a resurrection of a horrible franchise and strong seasons near the end, I think he'll be in.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Bushead

Warner has had a good career. If he had faded into oblivion after the Rams, I believe he wasn't Hall of Fame material, but after a resurrection of a horrible franchise and strong seasons near the end, I think he'll be in.

I dont understand why he's retiring when he plays better than 95% of the NFL's QBs today. Warner has an amazing career arc. He goes from nowhere to the top, back to nowhere, and back to the top. I think he's a solid HoFer.