We should stay away from Bradford

Landry44 · 03-15-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Describe what you consider a franchise QB.

When I think of a franchise qb I'm looking for a guy who's very intelligent, extremely accurate, and capable of making all the throws.

Longtimefan · 03-15-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Landry44

When I think of a franchise qb I'm looking for a guy who's very intelligent, extremely accurate, and capable of making all the throws.

That rather speaks for the majority of the QB's in the league.

WaldSkins · 03-15-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

That rather speaks for the majority of the QB's in the league.

Doesn't sound like Jason Campbell.

Ruhskins · 03-15-2010, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Doesn't sound like Jason Campbell.

I don't think anyone is talking about him here. Just because someone doesn't want Bradford, it doesn't mean that they want or think that Campbell is the QB of the future.

ArtMonkDrillz · 03-15-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Landry44

When I think of a franchise qb I'm looking for a guy who's very intelligent, extremely accurate, and capable of making all the throws.

Here are some quotes from Scouts Inc. on Bradford regarding:
Intelligence: "Cerebral quarterback. Not an in-your-face type leader but commands the huddle. Displays poise under pressure. Mentally/physically tough." He also scored a 36 on the Wonderlic test, take that for whatever you want.
Accuracy: "2006: Redshirted. 2007: (14/14) 237 for 341 (69.5 pct.), 3,121 yards, 36 TD, 8 INT. 2008: (14/14) Heisman Trophy winner. 328 for 483 (67.9 pct.), 4,720 yards, 50 TD, 8 INT." Another site says "Can put the ball into tight windows, even though he doesn’t have the best zip on his passes. Bradford showed elite accuracy as a sophomore when he won the Heisman Trophy in 2008."
Throw Capability: "He can make all of the NFL throws. Shows good touch and timing on the vertical throws."

So is your main concern the injury?

mlmpetert · 03-15-2010, 08:02 PM

I think we should stay away from Bradford, not because i think hes a poor QB or anything, but because i think the needs on the oline are just too great to ignore. I also think that putting any qb behind our oline at this point will get him killed and maybe hurt his psychy. If we want to get one next year with a top 10 pick (which is likely as of right now) im cool with that. If we want to trade for some qb and give a lot away to get him because he really is that good im cool with that. But to draft a QB number 4 over all when we have a greater need at protecting whatever QB lines up behind center. That combined with that fact i view Campbell as very serviceable QB makes it a no-brainer to me.

I honestly have never been good at evaluating qb's so maybe Bradford is that next great QB. Who knows. But i do know that a couple supposed next great QB's are taken as a top 10 pick every year, so why not just wait till next year. I changed my the tile in my response to reflect this.

Also OP: Im with you on starting a new thread to discuss specific issues on highly discussed topics (albeit in few threads). I personally dont like scrolling through tons of pages to hear repeated thoughts about things varying widely from the original topic. But i guess it is why some people like the warpath over some of the other forums. Just go to one of the multiple other forums to tailor your needs. No reason to flip out just keep it on topic........

NYCskinfan82 · 03-15-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I think we should stay away from Bradford, not because i think hes a poor QB or anything, but because i think the needs on the oline are just too great to ignore. I also think that putting any qb behind our oline at this point will get him killed and maybe hurt his psychy. If we want to get one next year with a top 10 pick (which is likely as of right now) im cool with that. If we want to trade for some qb and give a lot away to get him because he really is that good im cool with that. But to draft a QB number 4 over all when we have a greater need at protecting whatever QB lines up behind center. That combined with that fact i view Campbell as very serviceable QB makes it a no-brainer to me.

I honestly have never been good at evaluating qb's so maybe Bradford is that next great QB. Who knows. But i do know that a couple supposed next great QB's are taken as a top 10 pick every year, so why not just wait till next year. I changed my the tile in my response to reflect this.

Also OP: Im with you on starting a new thread to discuss specific issues on highly discusses (albeit in few threads). I personally dont like scrolling through tons of pages to hear repeated thoughts about things varying widely from the original topic. But i guess why some people like the warpath over some of the other forums. Just go to multiple forums to tailor your needs. No reason to flip out just keep it on topic........

Well said, we need OL it's amazing to me how people screamed our OL sucked & are now screaming get a QB. Look at our draft record we haven't really addressed the OL in years.

diehard · 03-15-2010, 06:53 PM

Take it easy on OP. He clearly had something on his mind and needed some immediate feedback. It won't happen again. It's just a little freak out. That's all. No harm done.

Longtimefan · 03-15-2010, 06:54 PM

Don't lock this thread until he gives me his definition of what a franchise QB is.

The Goat · 03-15-2010, 07:55 PM

A thread dedicated to concerns over Bradford seems logical w/ the draft approaching.

My take is even w/o injury concerns taking him in the top 5 seems irresponsible at best. Again I just keep looking back at the youtube video and my word this kid's passes are wobbly and often very, very weak. Big lobs and lots of arch even on medium range passes.

Maybe seeing him throw at a proday or whatever alleviates some of those concerns if he seems to have increased his strength/velocity a lot; however, until this is SEEN and basically documented I think the notion Bradford is a great NFL QB prospect is pretty unjustified.

murphy196 · 03-15-2010, 08:05 PM

I will have to agree. I don't see anything wrong with this thread, if you don't like it or you don't want it around, then don't acknowledge it and it will go away. Yes, there are 20 other threads on here about it, but who in the hell wants to read through all of that crap? Anyway, I agree that Bradford isn't the answer for the Skins, he will be hurt very quickly if he gets the start. I also don't have any confidence in a QB that ran a spread offense in college.

Ruhskins · 03-15-2010, 08:18 PM

Good points...Bradford may be a good QB, I just don't think he's right for the Skins at the moment. I'd rather have a LT that can start right away, instead of a top 5 QB that's going to sit on the bench.

I'm ok with the Redskins taking Bradford if that's what Shanny/Allen think needs to happen. I wonder if they Bradford camp would be fine if we took Okung.

wilsowilso · 03-15-2010, 09:30 PM

I don't think we should draft OL Davis from Rutgers. He is a top rated tackle according to many of the most well known draft experts. I know that we need a franchise left tackle, but I'm just not sure about the guy. He has character concerns. He isn't known as a hard worker. He had a piss poor combine. He gets beaten badly by marginal players in the game video I have watched on him, video that is widely available for anyone to watch on the internet. He looks lazy on the field.

Is my opinion NEW thread worthy?

Nope.

Like it has been pointed out already there are a bunch of threads discussing the draft and the particular prospects that the team might choose from.

Nothing wrong with the OP expressing an opinion about a top prospect, but just because you want to discuss something that is on your mind doesn't allow you to disregard rules and requirements for starting NEW threads.

No big deal, but you're getting called out on it. Every time.

Also you base your whole opinion on this argument that the "injury" to Bradford is "worse than reported." You base this medical assessement on what exactly?

Something "just tells me it's worse" doesn't cut it.

12thMan · 03-15-2010, 10:13 PM

If there's anything the draft has proven with 100% certainty is that it's all a crap shoot. Especially when it comes to quarterbacks and wide receivers in the first round.

If I'm the Skins, I take Okung and hope there's still some gem at QB in one of the later rounds. Your GM prowess isn't proven in the first and second rounds. It's proven, I would say, in rounds 3-7. Let's see what Allen and Co. really have. Play it safe, draft Okung and if Jason Campbell doesn't work out this year, at least you have a quality tackle going into his second year with the team. At least you have began the process of building a dominant offensive line.

GusFrerotte · 03-15-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

If there's anything the draft has proven with 100% certainty is that it's all a crap shoot. Especially when it comes to quarterbacks and wide receivers in the first round.

If I'm the Skins, I take Okung and hope there's still some gem at QB in one of the later rounds. Your GM prowess isn't proven in the first and second rounds. It's proven, I would say, in rounds 3-7. Let's see what Allen and Co. really have. Play it safe, draft Okung and if Jason Campbell doesn't work out this year, at least you have a quality tackle going into his second year with the team. At least you have began the process of building a dominant offensive line.

I agree, I am warming on Bradford if we do in fact take him, But if I am GM our first two picks are OL. This is going to be a "buyers market" for QBs this draft. Over a dozen really good college QBs coming out. Stull, Crompton, Kafka, Brown, Locker, Snead, with many more that probably won't be drafted like Sheehan, and Elliot. WE can wait for a potential franchise QB I think, or even wait a year or two to see how Mallet develops at Arkansas.

03-15-2010, 08:02 PM	#6
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: We should stay away from a QB with the number 4 pick I think we should stay away from Bradford, not because i think hes a poor QB or anything, but because i think the needs on the oline are just too great to ignore. I also think that putting any qb behind our oline at this point will get him killed and maybe hurt his psychy. If we want to get one next year with a top 10 pick (which is likely as of right now) im cool with that. If we want to trade for some qb and give a lot away to get him because he really is that good im cool with that. But to draft a QB number 4 over all when we have a greater need at protecting whatever QB lines up behind center. That combined with that fact i view Campbell as very serviceable QB makes it a no-brainer to me. I honestly have never been good at evaluating qb's so maybe Bradford is that next great QB. Who knows. But i do know that a couple supposed next great QB's are taken as a top 10 pick every year, so why not just wait till next year. I changed my the tile in my response to reflect this. Also OP: Im with you on starting a new thread to discuss specific issues on highly discussed topics (albeit in few threads). I personally dont like scrolling through tons of pages to hear repeated thoughts about things varying widely from the original topic. But i guess it is why some people like the warpath over some of the other forums. Just go to one of the multiple other forums to tailor your needs. No reason to flip out just keep it on topic........ __________________ www.NRABannedGunsRaffle.org

03-15-2010, 06:53 PM	#8
diehard The Starter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Norfolk, Va (OV) Posts: 1,566	Re: We should stay away from Bradford Take it easy on OP. He clearly had something on his mind and needed some immediate feedback. It won't happen again. It's just a little freak out. That's all. No harm done.

03-15-2010, 06:54 PM	#9
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: We should stay away from Bradford Don't lock this thread until he gives me his definition of what a franchise QB is.

03-15-2010, 07:55 PM	#10
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,662	Re: We should stay away from Bradford A thread dedicated to concerns over Bradford seems logical w/ the draft approaching. My take is even w/o injury concerns taking him in the top 5 seems irresponsible at best. Again I just keep looking back at the youtube video and my word this kid's passes are wobbly and often very, very weak. Big lobs and lots of arch even on medium range passes. Maybe seeing him throw at a proday or whatever alleviates some of those concerns if he seems to have increased his strength/velocity a lot; however, until this is SEEN and basically documented I think the notion Bradford is a great NFL QB prospect is pretty unjustified. __________________ 24-34

03-15-2010, 08:05 PM	#11
murphy196 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 165	Re: We should stay away from Bradford I will have to agree. I don't see anything wrong with this thread, if you don't like it or you don't want it around, then don't acknowledge it and it will go away. Yes, there are 20 other threads on here about it, but who in the hell wants to read through all of that crap? Anyway, I agree that Bradford isn't the answer for the Skins, he will be hurt very quickly if he gets the start. I also don't have any confidence in a QB that ran a spread offense in college.

03-15-2010, 08:18 PM	#12
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,378	Re: We should stay away from Bradford Good points...Bradford may be a good QB, I just don't think he's right for the Skins at the moment. I'd rather have a LT that can start right away, instead of a top 5 QB that's going to sit on the bench. I'm ok with the Redskins taking Bradford if that's what Shanny/Allen think needs to happen. I wonder if they Bradford camp would be fine if we took Okung. __________________ R.I.P. #21

03-15-2010, 09:30 PM	#13
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 52 Posts: 2,841	Re: We should stay away from Bradford I don't think we should draft OL Davis from Rutgers. He is a top rated tackle according to many of the most well known draft experts. I know that we need a franchise left tackle, but I'm just not sure about the guy. He has character concerns. He isn't known as a hard worker. He had a piss poor combine. He gets beaten badly by marginal players in the game video I have watched on him, video that is widely available for anyone to watch on the internet. He looks lazy on the field. Is my opinion NEW thread worthy? Nope. Like it has been pointed out already there are a bunch of threads discussing the draft and the particular prospects that the team might choose from. Nothing wrong with the OP expressing an opinion about a top prospect, but just because you want to discuss something that is on your mind doesn't allow you to disregard rules and requirements for starting NEW threads. No big deal, but you're getting called out on it. Every time. Also you base your whole opinion on this argument that the "injury" to Bradford is "worse than reported." You base this medical assessement on what exactly? Something "just tells me it's worse" doesn't cut it.

03-15-2010, 10:13 PM	#14
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: We should stay away from Bradford If there's anything the draft has proven with 100% certainty is that it's all a crap shoot. Especially when it comes to quarterbacks and wide receivers in the first round. If I'm the Skins, I take Okung and hope there's still some gem at QB in one of the later rounds. Your GM prowess isn't proven in the first and second rounds. It's proven, I would say, in rounds 3-7. Let's see what Allen and Co. really have. Play it safe, draft Okung and if Jason Campbell doesn't work out this year, at least you have a quality tackle going into his second year with the team. At least you have began the process of building a dominant offensive line.

We should stay away from Bradford

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