Guard watches coast for oil slick's first wave

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

making stuff up? I can bash whoever I want and "the leak is so bad" is not an acceptable excuse.

There asking the government for help now, that could be another disaster.

logical and rational debate in the United States is alive and well. Hallelujah

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

logical and rational debate in the United States is alive and well. Hallelujah

To say "im making stuff up" applies more to your quote of "logical and rational debate" above than any of my posts. Rather someone say they disagree. In regards to bashing, yeah it may be premature but pretty appropriate when we look at the scale of this.

Sorry if I offend, but I get passionate when i see negligence like this, with a company who have the resources and big money behind them. I expect better.

[mredskins]

Some how this will affect prices at the pump, I can see it all ready.

[CRedskinsRule]

via twitter

BP’s chief executive says, 'We are taking full responsibility for the spill and we will clean it up' –Reuters 4 minutes ago via BreakingNews Headquarters

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

via twitter

BP’s chief executive says, 'We are taking full responsibility for the spill and we will clean it up' –Reuters 4 minutes ago via BreakingNews Headquarters

How about they just stop the f*cking leak...jesus this happend like a week ago...how are they not prepared!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My absolute basic expectation..if you drill a f*cking hole you can plug it up.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

How about they just stop the f*cking leak...jesus this happend like a week ago...how are they not prepared!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My absolute basic expectation..if you drill a f*cking hole you can plug it up.

Get real dude, we aren't talking about a garden hose. The hole is at the bottom of the Gulf, you don't just go and put a band-aid on it like it was a little boo-boo. But I guess in our good ole' instant society, of which I am a happy member, it should have been done yesterday.

Check the facts on how much pressure this oil is under, or how deep it is. A tragic example, is the mining explosion, they weren't able to just go rushing in to try and save those guys, they had to account for what nature was doing.

I am not defending BP, I don't really know how long it would take a super well prepared team to go and stop the spill, but somehow, your basic expectation seems simply unrealistic.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Get real dude, we aren't talking about a garden hose. The hole is at the bottom of the Gulf, you don't just go and put a band-aid on it like it was a little boo-boo. But I guess in our good ole' instant society, of which I am a happy member, it should have been done yesterday.

Check the facts on how much pressure this oil is under, or how deep it is. A tragic example, is the mining explosion, they weren't able to just go rushing in to try and save those guys, they had to account for what nature was doing.

I am not defending BP, I don't really know how long it would take a super well prepared team to go and stop the spill, but somehow, your basic expectation seems simply unrealistic.

So this is acceptable? WOW...Your talking about a massive company who for massive profits does this all the time claiming they have this advance technology and ability to have limited impact to the environment around them and has a pretty good track record, but accidents do happen. Yes my expectation by now is they should have the ability to stop the leak. Sorry I set high standards when it comes to potential man made environmental disasters.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So this is acceptable? WOW...Your talking about a massive company who for massive profits does this all the time claiming they have this advance technology and ability to have limited impact to the environment around them and has a pretty good track record, but accidents do happen. Yes my expectation by now is they should have the ability to stop the leak. Sorry I set high standards when it comes to potential man made environmental disasters.

It would be unacceptable if all efforts were not being undertaken to stop the leak, and clean it up. Or if the company said my bad so sad. From what I can see, they have taken full responsibity AND have been mobilized around the clock since it happened. I tell you what, if you can answer how it could have been done differently, or what action they failed to take than your opinion might have some validity, but to say that just because x number of days has passed it ought to be stopped, ignores the reality of the situation. It's like the Madden version of environmental emergency response.

[CRedskinsRule]

NASA satellite images of spill.


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[CRedskinsRule]

Here is an interesting article on what is being done. It is from 4 days ago, so there are newer details I am sure:

Robot plugging Gulf oil spill

Crews are using robot submarines to activate valves at the well head in hopes of cutting off the leak, which threatens the Gulf Coast's fragile ecosystem of shrimp, fish, birds and coral. If the effort fails, they'll have to start drilling again.

The submarine work will take 24 to 36 hours, Doug Suttles, chief operating officer for BP Exploration and Production, said Sunday afternoon. "I should emphasize this is a highly complex operation being performed at 5,000 feet below the surface and it may not be successful," he said.

Oil continued to leak nearly a mile underwater Sunday at the site where the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded on Tuesday. Eleven workers are missing and presumed dead. For the second consecutive day, high waves prevented boats and equipment from going out to clean the spill. Airplanes sprayed chemicals to break up the oil.

[saden1]

Yeah, BP should foot the entire cleanup bill. Politically it just keeps getting better for dems. This should give them cover in axing coast drilling....hopefully they'll use it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

Yeah, BP should foot the entire cleanup bill. Politically it just keeps getting better for dems. This should give them cover in axing coast drilling....hopefully they'll use it.

Both BP and Pres Obama have said that BP will foot the entire bill. Hopefully, they will not use that as political cover. The eco-nuts used 3mile island as "political cover" to effectively shutdown nuclear energy and now we are decades behind where we could have been.
France's Nuclear Power Experience | France - Addressing the Challenge of Climate Change

Nuclear production and safety

Reaching a power capacity of 63 gigawatts, the nuclear plants operated by the French utility EDF account for nearly 80% of French generated electricity. The competitiveness of nuclear electricity and the large volume of baseload electricity generated in France enable exports to other European countries, making EDF the world’s largest net exporter of electric power.
The 40 year experience of industrial operation of nuclear energy has provided France with a demanding and high quality safety culture. The Nuclear Safety Authority (ASN), which is responsible for regulating nuclear safety and radiation protection in order to protect workers, the public and the environment from the risks involved in nuclear activities, was established as an independent body.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Both BP and Pres Obama have said that BP will foot the entire bill. Hopefully, they will not use that as political cover. The eco-nuts used 3mile island as "political cover" to effectively shutdown nuclear energy and now we are decades behind where we could have been.
France's Nuclear Power Experience | France - Addressing the Challenge of Climate Change

I dig "no tough standards and regulation no nuclear power plants or off-shore drilling...coal mines with safty violations shouldn't be allowed to operate." You?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

I dig "no tough standards and regulation no nuclear power plants or off-shore drilling...coal mines with safety violations shouldn't be allowed to operate." You?

Set solid standards, regulate "appropriately", penalize those who fail to meet standards, and utilize our resources effectively. Seems like a rational policy could be achieved. No?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Set solid standards, regulate "appropriately", penalize those who fail to meet standards, and utilize our resources effectively. Seems like a rational policy could be achieved. No?

In light of the havoc disasters wreck a better policy IMO would be "set rigorous standards, regulate strongly, and penalize severely those who fail to meet standards, and utilize our resources effectively." There is no excuse to cut corners in these matters.