2007 Uncapped Year

CRT3 · 03-17-2005, 07:14 AM

That is exactly the point why they can not come to an agreement. The NFLPA want the haves, such as the Redskins, Cowboys, Texans, to include more of their revenue stream in the calculation. Local advertising, local TV, suites, and club seats are among the items that teams are exempt from sharing. Since Danny and Jerry have come to town they have found ways to raise that revenue stream. Now the players want a share of that to. Since the CBA already states that there will be a no cap year at the end of the agreement, 2007 has always been in play. Thats why I have been constantly stating the Redskins based on there contracts last year and this year have been angling fo the 2007 season. I believe if you ask Crazy he also sees the wisdom in this.

Skinsfanatic · 03-17-2005, 09:29 AM

If there is an uncapped year, we need to sign all of the players we would like to keep to long term contracts that year. NO SIGNING BONUSES. Huge 1st year money with minimum salaries over the remainders of the contracts. Then, we pay a huge amount one year to keep the core guys we want while arranging for lots of cap space in upcoming years.

For example, take Samuels new contract. Currently he makes 52 million over the next seven years. We could rework his contract to be 46 million in base salary in the uncapped year and 1 million per for the next 6 years. If we take that same type of approach with our top 5 contracts (Samuels, Arrington, Griffin, Portis and Springs **leaving out the Brunell contract for obvious reasons**), then we would play these 5 players around 150 million in base salary in the uncapped year and we get to keep them for another 6 years past the uncapped year at 5 million per year for all 5 of them. Thats around 20-30 million per year in extra cap space that we would save by taking a huge hit in the uncapped year.

Of course, I don't actually think there will be an uncapped year, but here's to delusions of grandeur.

MTK · 03-17-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Skinsfanatic

If there is an uncapped year, we need to sign all of the players we would like to keep to long term contracts that year. NO SIGNING BONUSES. Huge 1st year money with minimum salaries over the remainders of the contracts. Then, we pay a huge amount one year to keep the core guys we want while arranging for lots of cap space in upcoming years.

For example, take Samuels new contract. Currently he makes 52 million over the next seven years. We could rework his contract to be 46 million in base salary in the uncapped year and 1 million per for the next 6 years. If we take that same type of approach with our top 5 contracts (Samuels, Arrington, Griffin, Portis and Springs **leaving out the Brunell contract for obvious reasons**), then we would play these 5 players around 150 million in base salary in the uncapped year and we get to keep them for another 6 years past the uncapped year at 5 million per year for all 5 of them. Thats around 20-30 million per year in extra cap space that we would save by taking a huge hit in the uncapped year.

Of course, I don't actually think there will be an uncapped year, but here's to delusions of grandeur.

I was just going to post the same idea. Sign everyone to long term deals with it heavily loaded in the '07 season.

Seems like the league is asking for trouble, I'm sure Snyder is drooling at the idea of an uncapped year.

BrudLee · 03-17-2005, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I was just going to post the same idea. Sign everyone to long term deals with it heavily loaded in the '07 season.

Seems like the league is asking for trouble, I'm sure Snyder is drooling at the idea of an uncapped year.

LDS wouldn't even have to come up with the cash. I believe he could defer payment of the base salary over the length of the deal - Samuels would count for 46 million, but he could still get paid 6-7 million a year.

The uncapped year is perhaps the greatest potential boon to players currently in the league - ever. 2008 rookies will do better as well, since current players will all average, oh, league minimum if the system is abused to its full advantage. A free agent in 2007 will actually walk around making "cha-ching" noises.

saden1 · 03-17-2005, 09:44 AM

What happens if one of those players gets disgruntled? ala Coles.

Skinsfanatic · 03-17-2005, 09:51 AM

Question: What happens if one of those players gets disgruntled? ala Coles.

Answer: F'Em. At that point, they play or they sit. They are only making 1 mil per after the first year, so if they become disgruntled, they can come to the games and watch from a good seat on the bench. And if that makes them sad, then boo hoo.

MTK · 03-17-2005, 04:02 PM

Brunell will probably take over as head coach when Gibbs leaves

SmootSmack · 03-17-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Brunell will probably take over as head coach when Gibbs leaves

President of Football Operations and Owner as well...heck the Skins will be playing in Mark Brunell Stadium by 2010

JoeRedskin · 03-17-2005, 04:12 PM

Now that's just plain silly!

Let's get back to some serious issues like "Question 3" and the correct punctutation for "Gibbs".

SmootSmack · 03-17-2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Now that's just plain silly!

Let's get back to some serious issues like "Question 3" and the correct punctutation for "Gibbs".

how about the correct spelling for "punctuation"

CrazyCanuck · 03-18-2005, 01:15 AM

The uncapped year is a horrible idea.

Monksdown · 03-18-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

The uncapped year is a horrible idea.

If we didnt have a cap, what would our poor neighbor to North....(Oh Canada, My home and native land....) have to contribute. Are you honestly telling me that we wouldnt get the monthly cap breakdown? I dont even want to think about a world without that.

BrudLee · 03-18-2005, 01:12 PM

Canuck needs job security. The cap stays.

Pocono · 03-18-2005, 08:13 PM

Hello all....The CBA has some rules for the final league year which is uncapped. In a different section of the CBA it tells about severe restrictions on the final 8 meaning the teams which lasted the longest in the playoffs the previous year. They can only sign FA's if they lose FA's. Here is the CBA section for the final capped year.

FINAL LEAGUE YEAR

All of the provisions of this Agreement shall be the same in the Final League Year of this Agreement, except that the following rules shall apply only in that League Year:

Section 1. No Salary Cap: No Salary Cap shall be in effect during the Final League Year.

Section 2. Free Agency If Salary Cap In League Year Prior To Final League Year: In the event that a Salary Cap is in effect in the League Year prior to the Final League Year: (a) the number of Accrued Seasons required to be an Unrestricted Free Agent during the Final League Year shall be six or more Accrued Seasons; and (b) the provisions of Article XIX (Veteran Free Agency), Sections 2‑4, shall apply to any player with five Accrued Seasons in the Final League Year, as if such player had four Accrued Seasons, except that the Qualifying Offers specified in Article XIX (Veteran Free Agency), Section 2(b)(ii) shall be $50,000 greater for the Qualifying Offers originally stated to be $325,000, and $100,000 greater for the Qualifying Offers originally stated to be $700,000 or $900,000, subject to any additional increases in the base amounts in accordance with the rules set forth in Article XIX (Veteran Free Agency), Section 2(e).

Section 3. Free Agency If No Salary Cap In League Year Prior To Final League Year: In the event that a Salary Cap is not in effect in the League Year prior to the Final League Year, the number of Accrued Seasons required to be an Unrestricted Free Agent during the Final League Year shall be five Accrued Seasons.

Section 4. Franchise and Transition Players: As set forth in Article XX (Franchise and Transition Players), Section 3, each Club shall be permitted to designate one Unrestricted Free Agent as a Transition Player between February 1 and February 15,in the Final League Year, notwithstanding that Transition Players may not be designated in the League Years after the 1994 League Year(except as provided in Article XX (Franchise and Transition Players), Sections 3(a) and 11).

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One reason you wouldn't want to load up on salary in a final league year is there is no certainty that they would reinstate a cap so you may have overpaid a player for 1 year for no reason and have made it in his best interest to become a problem and try and get the team to release him so he can get some more big money.

SmootSmack · 03-18-2005, 08:22 PM

Welcome to the board Pocono, nice first post!

03-17-2005, 07:14 AM	#1
CRT3 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rockville Age: 62 Posts: 795	Re: 2007 Uncapped Year That is exactly the point why they can not come to an agreement. The NFLPA want the haves, such as the Redskins, Cowboys, Texans, to include more of their revenue stream in the calculation. Local advertising, local TV, suites, and club seats are among the items that teams are exempt from sharing. Since Danny and Jerry have come to town they have found ways to raise that revenue stream. Now the players want a share of that to. Since the CBA already states that there will be a no cap year at the end of the agreement, 2007 has always been in play. Thats why I have been constantly stating the Redskins based on there contracts last year and this year have been angling fo the 2007 season. I believe if you ask Crazy he also sees the wisdom in this. __________________ 16-0 for 2007

03-17-2005, 09:29 AM	#2
Skinsfanatic The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,386	Re: 2007 Uncapped Year If there is an uncapped year, we need to sign all of the players we would like to keep to long term contracts that year. NO SIGNING BONUSES. Huge 1st year money with minimum salaries over the remainders of the contracts. Then, we pay a huge amount one year to keep the core guys we want while arranging for lots of cap space in upcoming years. For example, take Samuels new contract. Currently he makes 52 million over the next seven years. We could rework his contract to be 46 million in base salary in the uncapped year and 1 million per for the next 6 years. If we take that same type of approach with our top 5 contracts (Samuels, Arrington, Griffin, Portis and Springs leaving out the Brunell contract for obvious reasons), then we would play these 5 players around 150 million in base salary in the uncapped year and we get to keep them for another 6 years past the uncapped year at 5 million per year for all 5 of them. Thats around 20-30 million per year in extra cap space that we would save by taking a huge hit in the uncapped year. Of course, I don't actually think there will be an uncapped year, but here's to delusions of grandeur.

03-17-2005, 09:44 AM	#5
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: 2007 Uncapped Year What happens if one of those players gets disgruntled? ala Coles.

03-17-2005, 09:51 AM	#6
Skinsfanatic The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,386	Re: 2007 Uncapped Year Question: What happens if one of those players gets disgruntled? ala Coles. Answer: F'Em. At that point, they play or they sit. They are only making 1 mil per after the first year, so if they become disgruntled, they can come to the games and watch from a good seat on the bench. And if that makes them sad, then boo hoo.

03-17-2005, 04:02 PM	#7
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03-17-2005, 04:12 PM	#9
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: 2007 Uncapped Year Now that's just plain silly! Let's get back to some serious issues like "Question 3" and the correct punctutation for "Gibbs".

03-18-2005, 01:15 AM	#11
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	Re: 2007 Uncapped Year The uncapped year is a horrible idea.

03-18-2005, 01:12 PM	#13
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: 2007 Uncapped Year Canuck needs job security. The cap stays. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

03-18-2005, 08:13 PM	#14
Pocono Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 30	Re: 2007 Uncapped Year Hello all....The CBA has some rules for the final league year which is uncapped. In a different section of the CBA it tells about severe restrictions on the final 8 meaning the teams which lasted the longest in the playoffs the previous year. They can only sign FA's if they lose FA's. Here is the CBA section for the final capped year. FINAL LEAGUE YEAR All of the provisions of this Agreement shall be the same in the Final League Year of this Agreement, except that the following rules shall apply only in that League Year: *Section 1.* No Salary Cap: No Salary Cap shall be in effect during the Final League Year. *Section 2.* Free Agency If Salary Cap In League Year Prior To Final League Year: In the event that a Salary Cap is in effect in the League Year prior to the Final League Year: (a) the number of Accrued Seasons required to be an Unrestricted Free Agent during the Final League Year shall be six or more Accrued Seasons; and (b) the provisions of Article XIX (Veteran Free Agency), Sections 2‑4, shall apply to any player with five Accrued Seasons in the Final League Year, as if such player had four Accrued Seasons, except that the Qualifying Offers specified in Article XIX (Veteran Free Agency), Section 2(b)(ii) shall be $50,000 greater for the Qualifying Offers originally stated to be $325,000, and $100,000 greater for the Qualifying Offers originally stated to be $700,000 or $900,000, subject to any additional increases in the base amounts in accordance with the rules set forth in Article XIX (Veteran Free Agency), Section 2(e). *Section 3.* Free Agency If No Salary Cap In League Year Prior To Final League Year: In the event that a Salary Cap is not in effect in the League Year prior to the Final League Year, the number of Accrued Seasons required to be an Unrestricted Free Agent during the Final League Year shall be five Accrued Seasons. *Section 4.* Franchise and Transition Players: As set forth in Article XX (Franchise and Transition Players), Section 3, each Club shall be permitted to designate one Unrestricted Free Agent as a Transition Player between February 1 and February 15,in the Final League Year, notwithstanding that Transition Players may not be designated in the League Years after the 1994 League Year(except as provided in Article XX (Franchise and Transition Players), Sections 3(a) and 11). ------------ One reason you wouldn't want to load up on salary in a final league year is there is no certainty that they would reinstate a cap so you may have overpaid a player for 1 year for no reason and have made it in his best interest to become a problem and try and get the team to release him so he can get some more big money.

03-18-2005, 08:22 PM	#15
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: 2007 Uncapped Year Welcome to the board Pocono, nice first post! __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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