Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss

[Big C]

shannahan is pissing me off too. it would have been one thing to go into the bye week at 4-4, i can tolerate that. but now we have this bullshit controversy going on about mcnabb, hes probably divided the locker room somewhat and caused all sorts of problems within the team. unecessary. that is unacceptable. this situation makes me feel bad for mcnabb and i think that the players and many fans (myself included) will support him even more and rally around him. hell, maybe that was shannahan's goal all along, to motivate. and if it was, i still hate it. i want donovan here next year.

[KLHJ2]

Speaking of Shanny he did 4 things yesterday that pissed me off which broke my own coaching philosophies. I swear I was cussing at the screen when he did each of these. This is not a hindsight thing.

1 & 2. Never chase points trying to go for a 2 point conversion when in the lead. Points become valuable. Going for 2 to force overtime is OK but chasing points when in the lead is silly. Kicking the extra point it is almost always guarenteed. Being up by 6 is better than being up by 5.

3. There was still more than 2 minutes left on the clock and we still had 2 time outs. Don't go for it on 4th and long deep in our own territory. Punt the ball and give your defense and special teams an opportunity to get you the ball back with some better field position.

4. Don't pull your top offensive weapon with the game on the line.

[Gtothearry]

Originally Posted by Angry

Speaking of Shanny he did 4 things yesterday that pissed me off which broke my own coaching philosophies. I swear I was cussing at the screen when he did each of these. This is not a hindsight thing.

1 & 2. Never chase points trying to go for a 2 point conversion when in the lead. Points become valuable. Going for 2 to force overtime is OK but chasing points when in the lead is silly. Kicking the extra point it is almost always guarenteed. Being up by 6 is better than being up by 5.

3. There was still more than 2 minutes left on the clock and we still had 2 time outs. Don't go for it on 4th and long deep in our own territory. Punt the ball and give your defense and special teams an opportunity to get you the ball back with some better field position.

4. Don't pull your top offensive weapon with the game on the line.

I don't understand why we were chasing points either. We go for two and miss it which in turn forces us to go for 2 on the 2nd TD.

I never got the feel that the Lions could drive 80 yards on our defense either. They seemed to always be working with 45-50 yards in front of them. Field position made a huge difference in this game. I think if they had consistently had to drive 80+ yards the defense would've had more sack and more to's.

I still can't understand why you would pull Mcnabb. It's done and over but I think they made a mistake.

[Dogtag]

Pulling McNabb for Grossman in the last two minutes ... that was the equivalent of the SWINGING GATE play.

[MTK]

After sleeping on this the one thing that really bothers me this morning is the message benching McNabb sends to the team. Shanahan has done a great job this year overall, but this one move was a big mistake on his part. He needs to get with Kyle and Donovan over the bye and get this thing fixed. I don't care if they have to modify the offense, just do whatever you've got to do to get everyone on the same page and moving forward... together.

You can see it in everyone's body language out there. McNabb is frustrated, they cut to Kyle and he's frustrated. There's a disconnect somewhere.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

After sleeping on this the one thing that really bothers me this morning is the message benching McNabb sends to the team. Shanahan has done a great job this year overall, but this one move was a big mistake on his part. He needs to get with Kyle and Donovan over the bye and get this thing fixed. I don't care if they have to modify the offense, just do whatever you've got to do to get everyone on the same page and moving forward... together.

You can see it in everyone's body language out there. McNabb is frustrated, they cut to Kyle and he's frustrated. There's a disconnect somewhere.

While I dont agree with Shanny's decision to bench DM for the last series I do like the fact that Shanny isnt in love with the players no matter their name or how much $ they make. If he thinks you arent getting it done you are out of there and I like that.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

While I dont agree with Shanny's decision to bench DM for the last series I do like the fact that Shanny isnt in love with the players no matter their name or how much $ they make. If he thinks you arent getting it done you are out of there and I like that.

Definitely agree.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by irish

While I dont agree with Shanny's decision to bench DM for the last series I do like the fact that Shanny isnt in love with the players no matter their name or how much $ they make. If he thinks you arent getting it done you are out of there and I like that.

Well in that case we should have half the team (or more) sit the bench. Seems Shannys picking on the High profile players IMO. I think everyone should stand accountable no matter the position or the salary.

I don't see that happening across the board.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Well in that case we should have half the team (or more) sit the bench. Seems Shannys picking on the High profile players IMO. I think everyone should stand accountable no matter the position or the salary.

I don't see that happening across the board.

This coach is going to soon learn that he too has to be held accountable for his actions and decisions, as well as how his team performs. He's finding out now that there wont be any refuge from the media here which is much different from anything he experienced in Denver. The locals will most definitely stay on his case until he get's it right or be gone.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

This coach is going to soon learn that he too has to be held accountable for his actions and decisions, as well as how his team performs. He's finding out now that there wont be any refuge from the media here which is much different from anything he experienced in Denver. The locals will most definitely stay on his case until he get's it right or be gone.

I agree. For them to bench Donovan McNabb and Haynesworth at their whim, yet march out Casey Rabach every week is sickening.

This McNabb s--tstorm was 100% fabricated by Shanahan.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by irish

While I dont agree with Shanny's decision to bench DM for the last series I do like the fact that Shanny isnt in love with the players no matter their name or how much $ they make. If he thinks you arent getting it done you are out of there and I like that.

He's not benching that terrible left guard who can't block a girl. I think it's cause it's his hand picked guy so he's staying in there, even though he's a total 100% liability.

[Twilbert07]

Peter King of SI gives a thoughtful analysis of McNabb situation. He shows that McNabb has only successfully led 2-minute drill 1 of 4 times this season. (He does not include "drive" that se up FG at end of first half yesterday.)

Wade Phillips should be fired; Donovan McNabb's time up with Redskins? - Peter King - SI.com

[scowan]

Can we just find some new OL. Rabach is aweful. Hicks and Brown and Heyer are not much better. Maybe Grossman can find and hit the open man better, but Joe Montana couldn't play with our OL.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by scowan

Can we just find some new OL. Rabach is aweful. Hicks and Brown and Heyer are not much better. Maybe Grossman can find and hit the open man better, but Joe Montana couldn't play with our OL.

And some different receivers, too. Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams scare nobody.

[MTK]

After reading some stuff around the net, including King's MMQB, I've realized maybe we should question whether McNabb has worked hard enough in learning this offense. Is that the possible message that Shanahan sent out yesterday?

Is it possible that he's calling him out on his work ethic?