ESPN 980's Chris Russell: 75% Chance Skins release Big Al this week

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Releasing Albert Haynesworth won't solve this teams problems, and honestly at this point this mess is solely Shanahan's fault for keeping this drama going so long. Personally, I hope he gets released, because I'm tired of him and this situation. I know Tony Kornheiser rarely talks sports, but I happened to be listening to his show today and he said it best....either play the guy or get rid of him, plain and simple.

Personally, I don't buy the whole "he's trying to change the culture of the team"; to me this was a big fight between MS' ego and AH's stubbornness (to quote TK). If Mike Shanahan wants to change the culture of this team, he needs to find a way to motivate players, get rid of worthless players, and win some f*cking games. Making an example of Albert Haynesworth in front of the national media has done nothing for this team.

Let's clarifty 'changing the culture' for a minute. In essence it simply means letting players know who is in charge & holding them all to the same standards as much as possible. Basically it's just MS enforcing rules & creating some discipline. If AH has been insubordinate, what should MS do? Allow him to fail his training test, play whatever position he wants, skip or be late for meetings, miss practices?

I won't disagree that MS has a big ego & is stubborn, but that's part of why he's running an NFL team. In this case I'm not feeling it that this whole thing came about simply because of Shan.

[RedTempleSkin]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Let's clarifty 'changing the culture' for a minute. In essence it simply means letting players know who is in charge & holding them all to the same standards as much as possible. Basically it's just MS enforcing rules & creating some discipline. If AH has been insubordinate, what should MS do? Allow him to fail his training test, play whatever position he wants, skip or be late for meetings, miss practices?

I won't disagree that MS has a big ego & is stubborn, but that's part of why he's running an NFL team. In this case I'm not feeling it that this whole thing came about simply because of Shan.

His stubornest his the problem. We were a team with a top 10 defense an detroyed it by wanting to change it to a 3/4 even though we did not have the personnel for it. Alienating your players by calling them out in public forums(McNabb, Haynesworth)

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Let's clarifty 'changing the culture' for a minute. In essence it simply means letting players know who is in charge & holding them all to the same standards as much as possible. Basically it's just MS enforcing rules & creating some discipline. If AH has been insubordinate, what should MS do? Allow him to fail his training test, play whatever position he wants, skip or be late for meetings, miss practices?

I won't disagree that MS has a big ego & is stubborn, but that's part of why he's running an NFL team. In this case I'm not feeling it that this whole thing came about simply because of Shan.

Haynesworth has been a problem since the beginning. Nothing good has come of the way that Shanahan has handled this situation. And it is ALL on him because everyone knows there is no way in hell Haynesworth is going to change. Haynesworth has brought this mess on himself and his career is pretty much down the tubes; however we didn't need and the team should've cut their losses and gotten rid of him, plain and simple.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

On the post game show on espn 980, Chris russell said the nature of haynesworth's sickness was the primary reason it was such an issue. He said he didn't have confirmation so he didn't want to say it then, but to expect to hear more soon. Based on other reports I've heard before, my impression was that haynesworths repeated stomach problems seem alot like hangover symptoms to me. I really wish we could suspend him for conduct detrimental to the team and keep him away from the facility.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

On the post game show on espn 980, Chris russell said the nature of haynesworth's sickness was the primary reason it was such an issue. He said he didn't have confirmation so he didn't want to say it then, but to expect to hear more soon. Based on other reports I've heard before, my impression was that haynesworths repeated stomach problems seem alot like hangover symptoms to me. I really wish we could suspend him for conduct detrimental to the team and keep him away from the facility.

It's not the first time his illness has allegedly been the result of being less than responsible

I think I alluded to it this past summer

http://www.thewarpath.net/721751-post117.html

[sportscurmudgeon]

Let me SUGGEST - - with exactly no inside information to lead me to this suggestion - - that there is one constant factor in the AH saga from the day he signed his deal just moments after free agency started and today.

The GM situation has changed.

The coaching staff has changed.

AH is still here and still the same person/player.

One other "team factor" is still the same...

Where's Waldo?

[jamf]

I would like a new defensive coordinator to decide if we want to keep him or not.

[Alvin Walton]

The guy has been an a$$wipe since before the season started.
Boot him now!

[SolidSnake84]

He will not be released this season, but it sure sounds like he wont be brought back next year...if there is a next year.

[44ever]

In all fairness to AH, the Redskins probably ruined his career. He was doing just fine before we got our hands on him. He was worth 100 mill when we got him, now we take whatever we can get for him. Only the Skins can do that to a player like AH. Pathetic if you ask me.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 44ever

In all fairness to AH, the Redskins probably ruined his career. He was doing just fine before we got our hands on him. He was worth 100 mill when we got him, now we take whatever we can get for him. Only the Skins can do that to a player like AH. Pathetic if you ask me.

He's always been the same guy, Fisher and Schwartz just did a good job at handling him. And he did have the face stomping incident so...

At the end of the day he's done this to himself. Skipping camps, showing up late to meetings, putting in half-assed efforts, etc.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He's always been the same guy, Fisher and Schwartz just did a good job at handling him. And he did have the face stomping incident so...

At the end of the day he's done this to himself. Skipping camps, showing up late to meetings, putting in half-assed efforts, etc.

Regardless of who's in charge, we don't seem to handle anyone well. I agree that he's done all of this to himself, I just don't know why must he be kept in this limbo. Either play him or cut him, this should've been done a long time ago.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Regardless of who's in charge, we don't seem to handle anyone well. I agree that he's done all of this to himself, I just don't know why must he be kept in this limbo. Either play him or cut him, this should've been done a long time ago.

I agree completely that signing a guy with "personality issues" and "work ethic questions" to a contract with $40+M guaranteed was dumb.

Any psychologist will tell you that the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior - - AH's past behaviors were not worth a $40+M investment.

Having said all that, what is the benefit to the Redskins of cutting him in mid-season?

They save a few game checks - - a pittance compared to the $21M they forked over to this guy about 9 months ago.

They free him up to make a deal with a team going to the playoffs - - boy, that'll show him who's the boss.

They rid the team of a "distraction" - - and miraculously the rest of the squad immediately blossoms and starts beating all opponents by 4 TDs. Not happening...

Albert Haynesworth should never have been signed - - no matter how much of a "beast" folks here pronounced him to be and no matter how big a splash he made in the annual Danny Boy Snyder free agency PR campaign. Now that he is here and the team has paid him, they need to keep him away from the team and away from free agency for the rest of the season.

The best way to do that is to do what Andy Reid did with Terrell Owens in Philly. Send him home to do sit-ups in his driveway. The picture of AH doing pushups in his driveway would at least provide comic relief for the season...

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I agree completely that signing a guy with "personality issues" and "work ethic questions" to a contract with $40+M guaranteed was dumb.

Any psychologist will tell you that the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior - - AH's past behaviors were not worth a $40+M investment.

Having said all that, what is the benefit to the Redskins of cutting him in mid-season?

They save a few game checks - - a pittance compared to the $21M they forked over to this guy about 9 months ago.

They free him up to make a deal with a team going to the playoffs - - boy, that'll show him who's the boss.

They rid the team of a "distraction" - - and miraculously the rest of the squad immediately blossoms and starts beating all opponents by 4 TDs. Not happening...

Albert Haynesworth should never have been signed - - no matter how much of a "beast" folks here pronounced him to be and no matter how big a splash he made in the annual Danny Boy Snyder free agency PR campaign. Now that he is here and the team has paid him, they need to keep him away from the team and away from free agency for the rest of the season.

The best way to do that is to do what Andy Reid did with Terrell Owens in Philly. Send him home to do sit-ups in his driveway. The picture of AH doing pushups in his driveway would at least provide comic relief for the season...

This.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Having said all that, what is the benefit to the Redskins of cutting him in mid-season?

They save a few game checks - - a pittance compared to the $21M they forked over to this guy about 9 months ago.

They free him up to make a deal with a team going to the playoffs - - boy, that'll show him who's the boss.

They rid the team of a "distraction" - - and miraculously the rest of the squad immediately blossoms and starts beating all opponents by 4 TDs. Not happening...

The best way to do that is to do what Andy Reid did with Terrell Owens in Philly. Send him home to do sit-ups in his driveway. The picture of AH doing pushups in his driveway would at least provide comic relief for the season...

I've said it that getting rid of Haynesworth doesn't fix all the problems that this team has. However, keeping him the way that Shanahan has kept him, hasn't done the team any good. You either play him or cut him, that should've been the attitude from the get go. Who cares if he goes to another team? That shouldn't be a team concern right, they should just cut him, and stop getting all this stupid press about a guy that's been a bust for us.