Rifts between Shanahan and Snyder?

IrMitchell · 01-10-2011, 01:02 PM

Looking back, I think Gruden would have been the better choice (I'm aware he likely wasn't an option). Shanahan is a great coach, there's no doubt about it.. But the Redskins had no motivation. We were coming off the worst season in about a decade and had very few characters guys on our team. Jon Gruden would have motivated this team, he would have convinced Haynesworth that he could be his Warren Sapp. He would have had the defense playing what suits them, with good players and not these scrubs like Kemo and Gholston. He likely wouldn't have gotten McNabb and would have drafted a receiver to work with Santana.
Mike Shanahan doesn't seem to be the guy to completely change the culture unless he can take each player off the roster that doesn't work hard one by one.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I still feel like Gruden would have allowed for better results this year, but rather than just getting lucky.. Showing actual improvement.

This year we're pretty much banking on Free Agency and the Draft, because I can't imagine a Jim Haslett ran defense with the players from last year doing anything differently.

NC_Skins · 01-10-2011, 01:06 PM

There is basically one credible source out there with Redskins info and that is Adam Schefter. You can pretty much disregard pretty much everybody else and assume it's made up, which it most likely is. (Jason La Confora, Jason Reid are two notable ones)

SmootSmack · 01-10-2011, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

There is basically one credible source out there with Redskins info and that is Adam Schefter. You can pretty much disregard pretty much everybody else and assume it's made up, which it most likely is. (Jason La Confora, Jason Reid are two notable ones)

I wouldn't go that far

NC_Skins · 01-10-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I wouldn't go that far

Seeing how Schefter gets his info straight from Shanny, I would go that far.

celts32 · 01-10-2011, 01:37 PM

I originally wanted the Allen & Gruden combo but that ship sailed. We need to give Shanny his time to turn this around. I am willing to give him at least 3 years and probably 4 before passing judgement.

SouperMeister · 01-10-2011, 01:55 PM

Assuming improvement to the 8-8 range, there is no way that Snyder fires Shanny after year 2 with $20M+ guaranteed remaining on his contract. No way.

celts32 · 01-10-2011, 02:02 PM

The record doesn't even matter to me. If he fires Shanny after 2 years that will be one of the worst days in Redskins history, because it will mean that after 10+ years our owner still doesn't get it and the franchise is doomed...

NC_Skins · 01-10-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by celts32

The record doesn't even matter to me. If he fires Shanny after 2 years that will be one of the worst days in Redskins history, because it will mean that after 10+ years our owner still doesn't get it and the franchise is doomed...

If that idiot fires Shanny within the next 3 years, I will stop pulling for this team until he dies or sells the team. I live in NC, and the Panthers have a great organization to say the least so it's hard to watch the crap that dan snyder has done to our beloved team.

CRedskinsRule · 01-10-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If that idiot fires Shanny within the next 3 years, I will stop pulling for this team until he dies or sells the team. I live in NC, and the Panthers have a great organization to say the least so it's hard to watch the crap that dan snyder has done to our beloved team.

I don't know much about the Panthers org, but are you talking about the same one that has the 1st overall pick, and left a quality HC hanging in the wind because they don't want to pay his commensurate salary?

NC_Skins · 01-10-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't know much about the Panthers org, but are you talking about the same one that has the 1st overall pick, and left a quality HC hanging in the wind because they don't want to pay his commensurate salary?

Sure the Panthers had a shitty year. It happens to all teams, but let's look at the stability over the past 15 years compared to ours. They've done a lot more the past 15 years than we have as well. Also, it was time for Fox to go. He hasn't had consecutive winning seasons since he's been at Carolina. He isn't the only one I would like to see gone out of that organization. (Hurney should go too)

We can't hold a candle to that organization at this current point in time.

Brody81 · 01-10-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If that idiot fires Shanny within the next 3 years, I will stop pulling for this team until he dies or sells the team. I live in NC, and the Panthers have a great organization to say the least so it's hard to watch the crap that dan snyder has done to our beloved team.

I agree.... I'm done if Shanny if fired....

Dirtbag59 · 01-10-2011, 02:12 PM

Can anyone be sure that My Cousin Vinny is not the source of this story?

Lotus · 01-10-2011, 02:20 PM

Other stories to follow this one:

Pete Carroll is an alien from the planet Zircon disguised as a human being.

Rex Ryan lost weight when he was mauled by a lion in a New York subway station, then magically restored to health by Zambian elves.

Jerry Jones was the rumored second gunman in the Kennedy assassination.

Bylines without evidence - what a country!

skinsfaninok · 01-10-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Other stories to follow this one:

Pete Carroll is an alien from the planet Zircon disguised as a human being.

Rex Ryan lost weight when he was mauled by a lion in a New York subway station, then magically restored to health by Zambian elves.

Jerry Jones was the rumored second gunman in the Kennedy assassination.

Bylines without evidence - what a country!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Lotus I needed that Laugh Thanks

JoeRedskin · 01-10-2011, 04:02 PM

Wow. Three pages on an article that, apparently, is backed by nothing but speculation. I wish I hadn't postd it. It's obvious why it was.

By the way, it's listed on SI's NFL home page now in the "Truth & Rumours" section.

01-10-2011, 01:02 PM	#1
IrMitchell Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 657	Re: Rifts between Shanahan and Snyder? Looking back, I think Gruden would have been the better choice (I'm aware he likely wasn't an option). Shanahan is a great coach, there's no doubt about it.. But the Redskins had no motivation. We were coming off the worst season in about a decade and had very few characters guys on our team. Jon Gruden would have motivated this team, he would have convinced Haynesworth that he could be his Warren Sapp. He would have had the defense playing what suits them, with good players and not these scrubs like Kemo and Gholston. He likely wouldn't have gotten McNabb and would have drafted a receiver to work with Santana. Mike Shanahan doesn't seem to be the guy to completely change the culture unless he can take each player off the roster that doesn't work hard one by one. Hindsight is 20/20, but I still feel like Gruden would have allowed for better results this year, but rather than just getting lucky.. Showing actual improvement. This year we're pretty much banking on Free Agency and the Draft, because I can't imagine a Jim Haslett ran defense with the players from last year doing anything differently.

01-10-2011, 01:06 PM	#2
NC_Skins Gamebreaker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14,587	Re: Rifts between Shanahan and Snyder? There is basically one credible source out there with Redskins info and that is Adam Schefter. You can pretty much disregard pretty much everybody else and assume it's made up, which it most likely is. (Jason La Confora, Jason Reid are two notable ones)

01-10-2011, 01:37 PM	#5
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	Re: Rifts between Shanahan and Snyder? I originally wanted the Allen & Gruden combo but that ship sailed. We need to give Shanny his time to turn this around. I am willing to give him at least 3 years and probably 4 before passing judgement. __________________ Section 116 Row 19 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” www.facebook.com/HackettstownBeerClub

01-10-2011, 01:55 PM	#6
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 61 Posts: 3,419	Re: Rifts between Shanahan and Snyder? Assuming improvement to the 8-8 range, there is no way that Snyder fires Shanny after year 2 with $20M+ guaranteed remaining on his contract. No way.

01-10-2011, 02:02 PM	#7
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	Re: Rifts between Shanahan and Snyder? The record doesn't even matter to me. If he fires Shanny after 2 years that will be one of the worst days in Redskins history, because it will mean that after 10+ years our owner still doesn't get it and the franchise is doomed... __________________ Section 116 Row 19 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” www.facebook.com/HackettstownBeerClub

01-10-2011, 02:12 PM	#12
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 40 Posts: 14,750	Re: Rifts between Shanahan and Snyder? Can anyone be sure that My Cousin Vinny is not the source of this story? __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

01-10-2011, 02:20 PM	#13
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: Rifts between Shanahan and Snyder? Other stories to follow this one: Pete Carroll is an alien from the planet Zircon disguised as a human being. Rex Ryan lost weight when he was mauled by a lion in a New York subway station, then magically restored to health by Zambian elves. Jerry Jones was the rumored second gunman in the Kennedy assassination. Bylines without evidence - what a country! __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

01-10-2011, 04:02 PM	#15
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Rifts between Shanahan and Snyder? Wow. Three pages on an article that, apparently, is backed by nothing but speculation. I wish I hadn't postd it. It's obvious why it was. By the way, it's listed on SI's NFL home page now in the "Truth & Rumours" section. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

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