Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2)

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'm a huge DHall fan, the guy makes plays. He beat Dallas and Chicago basically by himself

Originally Posted by Angry

I don't see how he is overrated if he single handedly won 2 games and people are still giving him crap for giving up to many completions.

So it's fine if he beat two teams by himself and shit all over himself the other 14 games. YEAH!!!

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**One week after Redskins Pro Bowl CB DeAngelo Hall said he wanted to be on the # 1 pass-catching option for the opposing team, regardless of field sides -- Hall and others, got lit up by young Sam Bradford who threw short, quick release timing passes. Several plays stick out in my mind, such as smoke screen in which Hall slipped in coverage on, and a big pass down to the Redskins-1 yard line that set up a score.

**DeAngelo Hall continued his torrid interception pace by stepping in front of Calvin Johnson in the back corner of the end zone for his 5th pick in just over one game. Hall however was responsible for two of Calvin Johnson's three scores on the day. Hall was beaten on a stop route, and then was unable to tackle Johnson along with two other Redskin defenders before the end-zone for one score, and was also beaten on a slant score by Johnson after giving way too much cushion.

Everyone remembers Peyton Manning playing under the Sunday Night Lights and carving up DeAngelo Hall and LaRon Landry on the first play from scrimmage (a 57 yard TD to Pierre Garcon)

**DeAngelo Hall, has made a living out of getting burnt and creating plays at pretty much a 50/50 clip. Hall got burnt badly on a 92-yard TD and run by Mario Manningham. The Redskins blitzed on the 2nd-and-7 play, sending six rushers but getting no real pressure on Eli Manning. Hall mis-judged the ball and was torched by Manningham for a killer score to make it 17-7 Giants, a play that ultimately was the difference.

So the score is now 4-2 in favor of games lost over games won. So much for that being a valid reason as to why he's good.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So it's fine if he beat two teams by himself and shit all over himself the other 14 games. YEAH!!!

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So the score is now 4-2 in favor of games lost over games won. So much for that being a valid reason as to why he's good.

Funny you picked one of the best QB's and WR's in the NFL to support your argument. You also used a play where he slipped which is not fair.

[SOUL-SKINS]

I like him too........ But for every pick he gives up three touchdowns.

[KLHJ2]

DeAngelo Hall has earned ALL of the praise and critcism that he has recieved. He earned his trip to the Pro Bowl and He earned his MVP status. He has also earned your loathfulness. Let me just say that no one is perfect in this league. He did enough good to overcome the bad and was considerd among the best by fans, players, and sports writers alike...SUCK IT!

The problem that I have with these so called numbers is this: Did they take into account what his actual responsibility was on each and every play? I'll answer that "No, they did not." I guarentee you that they said "D Hall was the closest guy, so it must have been his responsibility." Stuff like that is easy to say about any player that is all over the field.

All joking aside the bottom line is this. He takes risks and more often that not it benefits the team. Tight coverage is only good for so long because QB's will eventually complete passes against someone like Carlos Rogers and we saw it happen for years. We could not get a turnover to save our life. You need a guy like Hall who can take away opportunities. So what if he gives up some yards on big plays too! I will take his good with his bad any day of the week...especially on Sunday.

[Longtimefan]

I'd prefer a player more complete at the position. There are no specialists when it comes to starting CB's, you can either play all aspects of the position or you can't. Tackling is just as much a requirement of the position as is interceptions and coverage skills.

[Chico23231]

Lord we need a CBA

[backrow]

Statistics don't prove a player's worth. Next you will tell me that statistics prove we were a bottom 10% in total D under J. Haslett! Oh,...............wait................

[hooskins]

Haha, why can't we just call a spade a spade? He's a huge liability in coverage. He gambles and it works at times. Two years ago it didn't last year it did.

Overrated cb and we all know the probowl is hype driven not talent.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Haha, why can't we just call a spade a spade? He's a huge liability in coverage. He gambles and it works at times. Two years ago it didn't last year it did.

Because it doesn't suit the their agenda to make their favorite player into something he's not. But stats doesn't matter when he makes ESPN highlights.

Originally Posted by Angry

He didn't single handedly lose those games. We were loosing regardless of his performance.

Regardless, haters will be haters.

If he didn't single handily lose those games, then he didn't single handily win those games either.You can't have it both ways. and you were wrong about us losing regardless. We were losing b/c of plays like that. No one player can single handily win (or lose) any game in the NFL. You might make a case for when Wilt scores 100 points in a game or when Kobe drops 80+ against the Knicks, but not in the NFL.

[Daseal]

Something many of us have been saying for some time. Hall will make some plays. He will also get beat. People hate on Rogers constantly for dropping the ball, but his guy rarely gets catches.

Having a real FS can help cover up his weaknesses. I like that he gambles some, but wish he was smarter about it.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Because it doesn't suit the their agenda to make their favorite player into something he's not. But stats doesn't matter when he makes ESPN highlights.







If he didn't single handily lose those games, then he didn't single handily win those games either.You can't have it both ways. and you were wrong about us losing regardless. We were losing b/c of plays like that. No one player can single handily win (or lose) any game in the NFL. You might make a case for when Wilt scores 100 points in a game or when Kobe drops 80+ against the Knicks, but not in the NFL.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you, but I digress. Ooooh, look, bunt cake!

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Haha, why can't we just call a spade a spade? He's a huge liability in coverage. He gambles and it works at times. Two years ago it didn't last year it did.

Overrated cb and we all know the probowl is hype driven not talent.

This list also shows you just how ridiculous it was to send DeAngelo Hall to the Pro Bowl. Is he really the second- or third-worst starting cornerback in the league? No, his numbers were better than this in past seasons. But he's certainly not one of the best cornerbacks in the league, even after you consider all his interceptions.

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[KLHJ2]

I don't see how he is overrated if he single handedly won 2 games and people are still giving him crap for giving up to many completions.

I'd say he is being rated right where he needs to be because he is overrated by those who like em and underrated by those who hate em.

Hooskins, I bet if he played for UVA instead of VT you will be on the other side of the fence. Why cant us VA boys just get along?

[KLHJ2]

He didn't single handedly lose those games. We were loosing regardless of his performance.

Regardless, haters will be haters.

Even Revis got beat a few times this year. It happens to all CB's eventually.

[freddyg12]

@Angry, good point about what his responsibility was on each play.
@GT, you've noted in your game breakdowns that mid season or so the zone coverage improved, but much of the year there was a lot of cushion between the safeties & CBs. I think that speaks to Angry's point.

I guess I agree w/the analysis to a point, he does get beat a lot but also makes plays. I hope he continues to mature, maybe he can still be a complete player. He has the talent to play solid coverage. I often wonder if it's motivational. That chicago game, he made those picks cause he was in position, a couple in tight coverage. He has a history w/Cutler, so maybe he played w/a chip that day. Most games he does seem more interested in making the 1 big play at the expense of several smaller important plays.