what in the hell are they thinking at redskin park?

[formerskinzfan]

For the record, I don't know if any of those guys playing football at Miami are good citizens. Truth is, if I want a good citizen, I'll go to church. Kellen Winslow broke his leg on a meaningless onsides kick last year but if he hadn't, only Rothlesberger would have finished ahead of him on offensive rookie of the year voting. He's the real deal. So is Mike Williams. And we missed out on a rare opportunity to have two franchise caliber players in their prime on our offense. The only franchise corner that has ever played this game and will ever play this game is Deion Sanders. If you need any examples on how well teams can do after losing their "lockdown cover corners", take a look a New England. Speaking of which, the fact that they didn't do more to keep David Patten should tell you a little bit about him as well. My point here is that Coles, Bailey, Gardner, Ramsey and Santana Moss (another malcontent the jets unloaded on us in exchange for taking back the malcontent they unloaded on us the year before. Why don't we trade Lavar Arrington to the Jets for the Brooklyn Bridge while we're at it. As long as they're just pulling jedi mind tricks on our GM and all). Mike Williams and Kellen Winslow franchise football players that would have been cornerstones of our offense for years to come. Instead, we will have to pray for a scoreless tie every week as our east west back struggles in our north south running game. And I'll go to my grave believing that if we hadn't taken rogers where we did, he could have fallen to 25 anyway

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by formerskinzfan

The only franchise corner that has ever played this game and will ever play this game is Deion Sanders.

Wow... not a mere mention of Darrel Green, but Deion Sanders?? I thought you were amusing for a second, but now Im truly offended. You are a moron.

[formerskinzfan]

wrong dum dum. Darrel Green is easily one of the best cornerbacks I've ever seen. I grew up watching him for the first 3/4 of his career. He is a first ballot hall of famer without a doubt. he was a lock down cover corner and if Rogers turns out to be 1/2 of Darrell Green, we got lucky this year. But he was not a franchise cornerback. His presence and effectiveness was tremendous throughout his career. He locked down many of the best wide receivers to ever play this game. But he never had the instant effect of making a defense a championship caliber defense that Sanders did. Sanders was the difference between the Niners and Cowboys during their heyday (which until today's draft was the most painful experience of my life as a redskins fan) and I am not sure Darrell Green, as good as he was in his prime would have made that difference, especially in light of the fact that both Irvin and Rice were bigger physical receivers that gave Green some trouble, even though he fought them both like a crazed dog. And speaking of big, physical wide outs with great hands and tremendous route running ability (Irvin and Rice), the fact that they gave the hall of famer Green, and a guy you think is a franchise corner I might add, as much trouble as they did only strengthens my argument that Williams should've been taken with that pick. I am much more confident projecting Williams as a hall of fame franchise reciever than I am projecting Rogers as a hall of fame franchise corner. Defense is cool but you do have to score the football sometimes.

[redrock-skins]

Why don't you go to your "new" team's fan site.

[That Guy]

the next QB after us was midway into the 3rd round... i think we could have traded into the 2nd round and gotten campbell without any problems...

[EternalEnigma21]

Hey formerskinzfan... currentwindbag... you are the reason I can't watch football at bars. You don't know your head from your ass. Sean Taylor is a young guy who has a few off the field problems, but on the field he preformed like an animal and gave 110% every down. He knocked the shit out of TO for no reason and I'd give him my first born child for that one. Even on that GD randy moss TD where moss cought the ball at his feet his hands were only an inch away from knocking the ball out. As a rookie, almost thwarting one of the greatest catches Ive ever seen... I dont care if he smokes crack, rapes dogs, and kills your mother... as long as the courts dont prosecute, I cant. KWII???? go the hell to california and root for the raiders of the niners. There are absolute geniuses in their front offices. You are a moron and should have some sense beaten into you.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Ladies and gentlemen:

I believe that someone has just made me look like an eternal optimist. I'm like the kid in a room full of horsesh*t who goes digging around because he thinks ther just has to be a pony in there somewhwere.

Most of you probably thought that it would not be possible to make me look like nothing more than a minor annoyance. But it has happened thanks to formerskinzfan.

[wolfeskins]

[QUOTE=canthetuna] He knocked the shit out of TO for no reason and I'd give him my first born child for that one.

[BigSKINBauer]

i am happy after hearing gibbs, in gibbs we trust that is what i have to stick by, and if he saw something in campbell then i can't say that i blame him. he says that he couldn't pass up on a QB that he felt fit perfectly in the system and we want continuity but our team to most outsiders and many insiders had horrible QBs, yes 4 is a lot but we will use the best one and remember what the 3rd picked qb last year did and gibbs put him higher than most on his chart, gibbs just maybe good at spoting QBs. i know brunnel is against that but how the hell would anyone know he would be such a skrew up.
I am happy w/ rogers, would i pick him over williams but he is still good, if barrow is back then we improved on D and it would be hard to say that we got worse this year,

for number 4 pick i would take jerome mathis if he is there or Fred Gibson to adress the WR need
i hope they are both around 16 picks in!

[MTK]

Paragraphs can be your friend

[MTK]

Alright armchair GMs, simmer down.

[formerskinzfan]

My "new" team is whoever is playing Dallas. That was my second favorite team my entire life. I am seeing a lot of shouts for me to get off the bandwagon or move to Dallas but I wouldn't be so angry about this if I didn't really care about the redskins. What I am not seeing from anyone is a cogent logical argument as to why we spent the last two years of the draft pursing defensive backs in spite of having one of the worst and most poorly balanced offenses in the league whose passing attack looked like more like the Bethesda Chevy Chase Senior High School Battling Barons offense than a professional football team.

[John Hasbrouck]

I have been a Skins fan 35yrs. and will be 35 more, but today was a BUST! What anyone did in the past, is past. NOW is what matters! We could of had Derrick Johnson and gotten a corner or wideout at 25. We do have CBs that are capable.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by John Hasbrouck

I have been a Skins fan 35yrs. and will be 35 more, but today was a BUST! What anyone did in the past, is past. NOW is what matters! We could of had Derrick Johnson and gotten a corner or wideout at 25. We do have CBs that are capable.

JH if you mention DJ again I am going to explode!

[EternalEnigma21]

Well here you go... our defense can't slip from where it was last year. otherwise, it won't matter what happens offensively, we will not make the playoffs. our defensive system relies alot on one on one matchups and blitzing corners. Offensively, we had the personell to put up a lot more points last year than we did. That can go back to a few causes....
1) Joe Gibbs - not making the switch from brunell until halfway through the season, because he didnt trust PR... why would he. In the relief Giants game he scored more for the other team than his own. He did not make critical reads to open recievers, because he was too concerned about turning the ball over, and he lacked confidence. Playcalling was suspect at critical times as well and so was clock management.
2) Recievers dropping easy balls all year long. That was unreal. Coles had a hurt finger and probably should've been benched to let DMac have a chance to earn his millions.
3) Injuries - not saying we were the worst team with injuries last year, but we had our share... we need to start preparing the guys on offense just like the defense where the #2 & 3 guys get actual workouts in practice just in case they're needed.

I think Gibbs saw potential problems with Mike Williams that outweighed the benefits. I mean for a guy that big to have so many problems getting off of a 195lb corner's jam... thats kind of rediculous, but its true and its his worst downfall. There are alot of other things on O that need fixing besides personell, and Gibbs knows it. He also knows theres a legitimate concern at QB and was prepared to give up an immediate impact player to get what he thinks is a young mobile gunslinging QB for the future.