We need O-Line help

dirtbag2112 · 05-10-2005, 09:52 AM

We need O-line help.

That's cute.

dblanch66 · 05-10-2005, 11:41 AM

Besides Dockery, we are solid. Hopefully, Buges will be able to do something with ole Derrick. Also, if the line was an area of concern, Bugel would have been trumpeting his concern into Joe's ear and we probably would have drafted for line help in the later rounds. Back in the early eighties, we drafted a guy named Mark May who lots of fans hated and Buges took limited ability and made him a HOG. Maybe he can do the same with Dock.

Redskins_P · 05-10-2005, 10:56 AM

If anything our O-line should be vastly improved. The only lineman I see having a question mark over his head is Dockery. The rest of the guys are solid, and would be starters on any team in the NFL. Randy Thomas is by far one of the most underrated Guards, and Jansen is an underrated tackle. Samuels always gets the spotlight simply because he was a high draft pick. I like Rabach as well.

aprius · 05-10-2005, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

If anything our O-line should be vastly improved. The only lineman I see having a question mark over his head is Dockery. The rest of the guys are solid, and would be starters on any team in the NFL. Randy Thomas is by far one of the most underrated Guards, and Jansen is an underrated tackle. Samuels always gets the spotlight simply because he was a high draft pick. I like Rabach as well.

Where is our depth at center and guard?
Show me the experienced personnel we have.

Redskins_P · 05-10-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by aprius

Where is our depth at center and guard?
Show me the experienced personnel we have.

Friedman and Raymer. They're both vets, and have started in the league before. Granted they might not be the best backups, but I think we can survive with them.

MTK · 05-10-2005, 12:04 PM

Ray Brown can play just about any spot on the OL, he's going to be great for depth.

Defensewins · 05-10-2005, 12:43 PM

I agree with Matty72...
aprius- your post is a little bit too much doom and gloom. Gibbs inherited a lousy, unperforming team. You must be one those fans that expected a Super Bowl apperance/ miracle year right off the bat.
Frankly, our O-line has 3 of the 5 positions manned by very good (pro-bowl type) players: Samuels, Jansen and Thomas. That is a great start.
The new guy - Rabach is the perfect physical type center we lacked last year. Dockery is the only question mark and he has good potential. Bugel has a great reputation for developing young O-lineman. Wilson and Molinaro were young inexperienced rookies last year. Lets give them a chance to improve before we trash them.

Redskins_P · 05-10-2005, 12:46 PM

We can't have Pro Bowlers at every position...........

sportscurmudgeon · 05-10-2005, 12:59 PM

I don't care if Wilson and Molinaro are well thought of. Mother Teresa is well thought of; but she never could block effectively against the blitz!

What I care about is whether or not either of these folks can play on the offensive line - - nothing else.

The Redskins' O-Line was very bad last year mainly due to Jansen's injury. It should be better this year barring a lot of injuries. But let's not get carried away and begin to categorize this crew as having three or four Hall of Fame candidates in there. Jansen is the best offensive lineman and he is coming back off an injury. There are several good players there but no great ones.

And if the OL has a bad year, an immobile Patrick Ramsey will be a sitting duck back there and may not make it though a full 16 game schedule. So, that's why the OL needs as much upgrading as is humanly possible.

SkinsRock · 05-10-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I don't care if Wilson and Molinaro are well thought of. Mother Teresa is well thought of; but she never could block effectively against the blitz!

What I care about is whether or not either of these folks can play on the offensive line - - nothing else.

The Redskins' O-Line was very bad last year mainly due to Jansen's injury. It should be better this year barring a lot of injuries. But let's not get carried away and begin to categorize this crew as having three or four Hall of Fame candidates in there. Jansen is the best offensive lineman and he is coming back off an injury. There are several good players there but no great ones.

And if the OL has a bad year, an immobile Patrick Ramsey will be a sitting duck back there and may not make it though a full 16 game schedule. So, that's why the OL needs as much upgrading as is humanly possible.

The same point could be made about any position. EVERY position could use an upgrade if it is possible. Even with a future Hall of Fame type player (not saying any of these guys are), you still need quality depth in case of injury.
My opinion is that with Rabach and the return of Jansen, the line will be much improved.

Redskins8588 · 05-10-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

But let's not get carried away and begin to categorize this crew as having three or four Hall of Fame candidates in there.

Whatever do you mean?!?! The whole team is bound for the HALL OF FAME!!!

There now atleast I said that the whole team is going to the hall so now at least sportscurmudgeon can keep referenceing the Hall of Fame anytime we think that someone will do good or if we think that a position will be ok!!!

SmootSmack · 05-10-2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

But let's not get carried away and begin to categorize this crew as having three or four Hall of Fame candidates in there..

See now you're just doing this to tick me off right? You just take so much joy in using this reference and basically ridiculing Redskins fans for believing that the team has promising NFL players...you don't have to be a Hall of Fame candidate to be good. You talk about keeping it real but sometimes the reality is that things aren't all that bad, that the team is not so far away from the grand prize as you may believe. Well if you want to carry on this way then I'll just say that with James Thrash, McCants, Jacobs, Moss and Patten we have probably the greatest WR corps ever. Jacobs will probably smash every record Jerry Rice holds. When they talk about greatest players of all time the names Jim Brown and Manuel White will be used in the same sentence. And so on.

But really, it's like you don't even try anymore. A real shame because there was a time you had some worthy stuff to say, however slit-wrist inducing your posts tend to be. But now it's just getting tiring. C'mon Curmudgeon! You're better than this

aprius, I think we're all still wondering where you heard that Gibbs was unimpressed with Molinaro and Wilson.

monk81 · 05-12-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I don't care if Wilson and Molinaro are well thought of. Mother Teresa is well thought of; but she never could block effectively against the blitz!

But if she got some coaching from Buges......who knows ........

aprius · 05-10-2005, 01:26 PM

What about Nowland, Warner, Gonzalez and Alston?

Will they be contributors, Practice squad??

Redskins_P · 05-10-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by aprius

What about Nowland, Warner, Gonzalez and Alston?

Will they be contributors, Practice squad??

Well, we won't find out until after training camp.

Aprius, I wouldn't worry too much about our O-line. We have some solid players there, and lets not forget that Buges is coaching them up.

05-10-2005, 09:52 AM	#1
dirtbag2112 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 293	Re: We need O-Line help We need O-line help. That's cute.

05-10-2005, 11:41 AM	#2
dblanch66 The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 59 Posts: 1,176	Re: We need O-Line help Besides Dockery, we are solid. Hopefully, Buges will be able to do something with ole Derrick. Also, if the line was an area of concern, Bugel would have been trumpeting his concern into Joe's ear and we probably would have drafted for line help in the later rounds. Back in the early eighties, we drafted a guy named Mark May who lots of fans hated and Buges took limited ability and made him a HOG. Maybe he can do the same with Dock.

05-10-2005, 10:56 AM	#3
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	Re: We need O-Line help If anything our O-line should be vastly improved. The only lineman I see having a question mark over his head is Dockery. The rest of the guys are solid, and would be starters on any team in the NFL. Randy Thomas is by far one of the most underrated Guards, and Jansen is an underrated tackle. Samuels always gets the spotlight simply because he was a high draft pick. I like Rabach as well.

05-10-2005, 12:04 PM	#6
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: We need O-Line help Ray Brown can play just about any spot on the OL, he's going to be great for depth.

05-10-2005, 12:43 PM	#7
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Re: We need O-Line help I agree with Matty72... aprius- your post is a little bit too much doom and gloom. Gibbs inherited a lousy, unperforming team. You must be one those fans that expected a Super Bowl apperance/ miracle year right off the bat. Frankly, our O-line has 3 of the 5 positions manned by very good (pro-bowl type) players: Samuels, Jansen and Thomas. That is a great start. The new guy - Rabach is the perfect physical type center we lacked last year. Dockery is the only question mark and he has good potential. Bugel has a great reputation for developing young O-lineman. Wilson and Molinaro were young inexperienced rookies last year. Lets give them a chance to improve before we trash them.

05-10-2005, 12:46 PM	#8
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	Re: We need O-Line help We can't have Pro Bowlers at every position...........

05-10-2005, 12:59 PM	#9
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: We need O-Line help I don't care if Wilson and Molinaro are well thought of. Mother Teresa is well thought of; but she never could block effectively against the blitz! What I care about is whether or not either of these folks can play on the offensive line - - nothing else. The Redskins' O-Line was very bad last year mainly due to Jansen's injury. It should be better this year barring a lot of injuries. But let's not get carried away and begin to categorize this crew as having three or four Hall of Fame candidates in there. Jansen is the best offensive lineman and he is coming back off an injury. There are several good players there but no great ones. And if the OL has a bad year, an immobile Patrick Ramsey will be a sitting duck back there and may not make it though a full 16 game schedule. So, that's why the OL needs as much upgrading as is humanly possible. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

05-10-2005, 01:26 PM	#14
aprius Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Call it Frisco....I am originally from DC Posts: 56	Re: We need O-Line help What about Nowland, Warner, Gonzalez and Alston? Will they be contributors, Practice squad?? __________________ Hail Redskins!

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