Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012

[Ruhskins]

Believe or not, I think this was a pricey good move for the Raiders. Risky as hell if Palmer doesn't work out though, but it could make them contenders for the next season or two. They have a great running game, young fast talented receivers, and a very solid defense. I guess they don't want to lose the momentum and having a winning season with a playoff appearance would be huge for the organization.

Sucks for JC, but I think he may have improved his stock for a trade, at least to be a solid back up. If Palmer works out, the Raiders are going to be tough to beat.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Believe or not, I think this was a pricey good move for the Raiders. Risky as hell if Palmer doesn't work out though, but it could make them contenders for the next season or two. They have a great running game, young fast talented receivers, and a very solid defense. I guess they don't want to lose the momentum and having a winning season with a playoff appearance would be huge for the organization.

Sucks for JC, but I think he may have improved his stock for a trade, at least to be a solid back up. If Palmer works out, the Raiders are going to be tough to beat.

It's not a horrible situation for Campbell. Number one, Palmer has to prove he can stay healthy. Number two, if/when Palmer proves that, Campbell becomes the prize jewel of the free agent class in 2012. He can go wherever he wants.

[GTripp0012]

A couple things:

Carson Palmer is still really, really good. The Raiders are the favorite in the AFC West. They have three divisional games coming up. If Hue Jackson thought he could win 2/3 with Kyle Boller, I'm sure he would have gone that route.

I thought the surplus value of Palmer's contract (through 2014) was at roughly the value of a first round pick. So the Raiders overpaid here because they were desperate. He's not worth a first round plus, though he is worth a first rounder.

The bigger issue here is that he cost a first rounder in a draft that could have solved the QB need for the next ten years instead of three. But hey, the starting QB is hurt and flags fly forever. If the Raiders go deep in the playoffs in 2011, it's a good deal. If they don't, then they probably had better options available.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

A couple things:

Carson Palmer is still really, really good. The Raiders are the favorite in the AFC West. They have three divisional games coming up. If Hue Jackson thought he could win 2/3 with Kyle Boller, I'm sure he would have gone that route.

I thought the surplus value of Palmer's contract (through 2014) was at roughly the value of a first round pick. So the Raiders overpaid here because they were desperate. He's not worth a first round plus, though he is worth a first rounder.

The bigger issue here is that he cost a first rounder in a draft that could have solved the QB need for the next ten years instead of three. But hey, the starting QB is hurt and flags fly forever. If the Raiders go deep in the playoffs in 2011, it's a good deal. If they don't, then they probably had better options available.

When was his last good year??? It's been a while.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

When was his last good year??? It's been a while.

2006 or 2007. When Hue Jackson was there.

Palmer had a really "clutch" 2009 season where those late-game results didn't roll over to 2010, which caused the drop in record. But those were BAD offenses. Really bad. Palmer was by far the best player on them. And there wasn't a close second.

I'm also projecting him to age rather well, in part because he's already overcome a pretty career-threatening elbow injury to rank consistently in the top 15 quarterbacks in the NFL on one of the worst offenses. The Raiders are more like the 2006 Bengals than the 2009 or 2010 Bengals. And it wouldn't shock me if he played at or just below that prior level.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

A couple things:

Carson Palmer is still really, really good.

Based on?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Based on?

History. The knock against Palmer is that he's injury prone, elbow didn't heal quickly, and that knee injury from 2005. But he's always been one of the league's best quarterbacks when playing, and he improved immensely from his first year back from injury (2009) to his second year.

Why wasn't he in the pro bowl in 2010 if he's so great? That's entirely on the Bengals for building the way they did.

[BringBackJoeT]

Exactly how many trades in the past 20 years have involved one team's exchange of two first rounders? Did the infamous Walker-to-the-Vikings trade include two firsts? Are there others? I'd say there may be five or six players in the league worthy of two firsts. Palmer isn't a player I would include on that list.

Well, if this guarantees more long-term Raider ineptitude, I'm all for it.

[skinsfan69]

The Raiders are still the Raiders. Palmer has been a huge disappointment the last few years and he's never been the same since that knee injury. Now with 2 number ones Cincy has set themselves up for a bright future. Major props to the worst owner in the NFL, Mike Brown. Can't believe they're 4-2 this year!!!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The Raiders are still the Raiders. Palmer has been a huge disappointment the last few years and he's never been the same since that knee injury. Now with 2 number ones Cincy has set themselves up for a bright future. Major props to the worst owner in the NFL, Mike Brown. Can't believe they're 4-2 this year!!!

Mike Brown is still a dumba$$. He got lucky that a major injury gave him this opportunity. If Campbell doesn't get hurt, Palmer sits for a whole season and loses any trade value. Hopefully they won't F things up and build a solid team around Dalton.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Mike Brown is still a dumba$$. He got lucky that a major injury gave him this opportunity. If Campbell doesn't get hurt, Palmer sits for a whole season and loses any trade value. Hopefully they won't F things up and build a solid team around Dalton.

MIke Brown is still a dumbass; no argument there.

Please explain how Palmer sitting for a whole season makes him lose trade value. It's not like he's 40 years old...

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

MIke Brown is still a dumbass; no argument there.

Please explain how Palmer sitting for a whole season makes him lose trade value. It's not like he's 40 years old...

Taking this Raiders trade out of the equation, I would imagine that trading Carson Palmer in the 2011 offseason would have resulted in better value for Cincy than trading him in the 2012 offseason. Of course this argument is moot given that the Raiders have overpaid for Palmer.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Taking this Raiders trade out of the equation, I would imagine that trading Carson Palmer in the 2011 offseason would have resulted in better value for Cincy than trading him in the 2012 offseason. Of course this argument is moot given that the Raiders have overpaid for Palmer.

Don't understand why that is the case.

Only a team who really needs a QB is going to try to make an offer to the Bengals for a guy like Palmer because it is clear that Mike Brown won't release him for a conditional 5th round pick or anything like that. So, why would there be no "QB desperate teams" in the 2012 offseason just as there were ones who wanted Palmer in the 2011 offseason and now one team who needed him in the middle of the 2011 season.

Mike Brown won the lottery. He held on to Carson Palmer and found a team willing to pay a huge price for him. Had Jason Campbell broken his collar bone next weekend instead of last weekend, the Raiders could not have traded for him; the deadline would have passed. The Bengals got lucky; it happens sometimes...

But Carson Palmer would have been worth about the same in the 2012 off-season that he was worth in the 2011 off-season had this bit of luck not fallen in the Bengals' lap.

[BringBackJoeT]

Found the answer to my question--the Vikings traded not two but three first rounders. Funny that the trade itself has its on Wiki entry.

[irish]

I wish the Skins had picked him up. He will do much better now that he's away from the worst coach at any level of football.