Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

We haven't seen that yet. And if the defense is "somewhat okay" then that would be your upgrade considering last season's D.

It wasn't possible to address every single need. This year the focus was defense.

How about this -- instead of taking a dump on each and every coach that comes to town, how about the players step up for once? Did anyone catch the graphic about all of the coaches after their first 22 games in Washington? It doesn't seem to matter if you have a legend for a head coach, a bad head coach, or a pathetic, clueless head coach -- the results are always the same with this organization. So when your trying to figure out what's wrong with a team, isn't it EVER justifiable to look at the players?

Sure it is. And they are not doing their part.

But the buck stops with the FO and coaching. Just like in any other organization or company. The culture at the Skins right now is not a professional one nor is it a winning one.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

We haven't seen that yet. And if the defense is "somewhat okay" then that would be your upgrade considering last season's D.

It wasn't possible to address every single need. This year the focus was defense.

How about this -- instead of taking a dump on each and every coach that comes to town, how about the players step up for once? Did anyone catch the graphic about all of the coaches after their first 22 games in Washington? It doesn't seem to matter if you have a legend for a head coach, a bad head coach, or a pathetic, clueless head coach -- the results are always the same with this organization. So when your trying to figure out what's wrong with a team, isn't it EVER justifiable to look at the players?

My comparison was to the team before Shanahan. Our defense was sh*t last year, this year's defense is of course better than last year's.

It's funny that you say that people take a dump on the coaches, b/c I feel that fans at least, always seem to be quick to blame the players.

You are right, the results seem to be the same, but I also feel that the coaches seem to be repeating the same mistakes. We are almost at the half season mark, and it seems that in today's NFL anything can happen, but I just don't have much faith in our outlook for the rest of the season. I would like to see the team play with a sense of purpose though. As people have pointed out, it seems that the only people doing that today were Fletcher, Rocca, and Davis.

[hooskins]

I've been Kyle's biggest defender the last few weeks, but the playcalling was absolutely horrible today. Couple that with terrible WR and Oline play John "I Telegraph My Passes" Beck was not going to succeed.

For the defensive side, being on the field for that long against a prolific offense, I think they did well.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I've been Kyle's biggest defender the last few weeks, but the playcalling was absolutely horrible today. Couple that with terrible WR and Oline play John "I Telegraph My Passes" Beck was not going to succeed.

For the defensive side, being on the field for that long against a prolific offense, I think they did well.

when the bills are considered a "prolific offense" you know it aint the 2000s anymore.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I've been Kyle's biggest defender the last few weeks, but the playcalling was absolutely horrible today. Couple that with terrible WR and Oline play John "I Telegraph My Passes" Beck was not going to succeed.

For the defensive side, being on the field for that long against a prolific offense, I think they did well.

Kyle could have made perfect playcalls all day long, but won't matter much if these dopes don't execute.

I agree about the defense. They held the Bills to two TDs, forced a few FGs, and that was *again* having to deal with offensive teammates who have a problem turning the ball over.

[over the mountain]

the last 10 years we have had 4 top ten draft picks. . .i think.

safety, corner, safety, offensive tackle . . .yay.

oh yeah . . .trade out.

[Paintrain]

Only one Smackdown, to myself.

I believed that despite the fact we had an awful QB situation, a patchwork offensive line comprised of castoffs and hope-to-be players, a WR corp comprised of exactly the same and a RB group designed the exact same way that we could have a chance at a decent offense.

I believed that our 'retooled' defense made up of much of the same, players unwanted by their teams and average players who look good on our bad team-most of whom are still misfit for our scheme would improve and I wouldn't see the same of what I've been seeing for years. Blown assignments, big plays and horrendous tackling.

I smackdown myself for falling into the trap again. I know this is a long rebuild but I didn't want to believe it. I didn't want to believe when Matt Williamson said coming off of the lockout that we had the least talented roster in the NFL. I didn't want to agree with the skeptics who said our start was a mere mirage. I had visions of playoffs and even in a thread last week I concluded we would finish 8-8.

I've now smacked myself into reality that we need to keep the coaching staff in place and let them build towards competing in 2014. I've smacked myself into the reality that John Beck, Rex Grossman, Ryan Torrain, Anthony Armstrong, Jabar Gaffney, Donte Stallworth, Terrence Austin, Logan Paulsen, Will Montgomery, Kory Leichtenstiger, Erik Cook, Jamaal Brown, Rocky McIntosh, Kevin Barnes, Reed Doughty, DeAngelo Hall and Oshimigo Atogwe will never be starters on a playoff team as individuals and will never post a .500 record or better collectively. I've smacked myself into reality that it's going to be a long time before I enjoy Sundays in the fall again.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Only one Smackdown, to myself.

I believed that despite the fact we had an awful QB situation, a patchwork offensive line comprised of castoffs and hope-to-be players, a WR corp comprised of exactly the same and a RB group designed the exact same way that we could have a chance at a decent offense.

I believed that our 'retooled' defense made up of much of the same, players unwanted by their teams and average players who look good on our bad team-most of whom are still misfit for our scheme would improve and I wouldn't see the same of what I've been seeing for years. Blown assignments, big plays and horrendous tackling.

I smackdown myself for falling into the trap again. I know this is a long rebuild but I didn't want to believe it. I didn't want to believe when Matt Williamson said coming off of the lockout that we had the least talented roster in the NFL. I didn't want to agree with the skeptics who said our start was a mere mirage. I had visions of playoffs and even in a thread last week I concluded we would finish 8-8.

I've now smacked myself into reality that we need to keep the coaching staff in place and let them build towards competing in 2014. I've smacked myself into the reality that John Beck, Rex Grossman, Ryan Torrain, Anthony Armstrong, Jabar Gaffney, Donte Stallworth, Terrence Austin, Logan Paulsen, Will Montgomery, Kory Leichtenstiger, Erik Cook, Jamaal Brown, Rocky McIntosh, Kevin Barnes, Reed Doughty, DeAngelo Hall and Oshimigo Atogwe will never be starters on a playoff team as individuals and will never post a .500 record or better collectively. I've smacked myself into reality that it's going to be a long time before I enjoy Sundays in the fall again.

I still don't think the D is as bad as people claim. Yeah we are giving up some big plays, but overall we hold teams to lower than their average. To me, that means we are NOT an average defense. I think we are a bit above average and are quite good at times. Our main weakness at D is our secondary. If you spread us out with 4/5 wide we can get burnt. But we do a good job of forcing teams to 3rd and long and we are pretty good in the RZ.

Honestly, the D has given us a fighting chance in each game. The offense is pathetic. Having no depth at Oline is really hurting us. The blame falls squarely on the FO. Olinemen get hurt all the time. We know this, but yet we get scrub WRs instead. I know that is gross oversimplification of the issue (I understand our receivers stink along with our QB) but plenty of teams are doing well with 2nd and 3rd string Olinemen.

[SFREDSKIN]

The D is not bad by any means, they are much improved. The problem lately seems to be that they can't stop the running game, Bowen and Cofield have banished, the DB's suck!! That's the weakness. Hall, Wilson, Barnes are bad.

[over the mountain]

oj's absence was huge paintrain. it was evident the whole game . . . oh thats right, oj doesnt like being referred to as oj. oj.

[Ruhskins]

The problem with the D is that our current FO/coaching staff has not been able to put an offense decent enough to compliment the defense. This defense is not going to win games by itself, the offense needs to do something, but they don't.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Smackdown - unrealistic expectations and the lockout.

I think as fans we all probably wanted to believe that this team would take a big step forward this year. Maybe not big enough to get in the playoffs, surely not big enough to do anything if we made it; but at least a big enough step to look competitive and feel good about what we could accomplish in 2012 after acquiring a few more pieces.

Then came the 3-1 start, and again as fans, naturally a lot of people started "drinking the koolaid" and having visions of taking the division and having a big playoff run...I think I even saw the word Superbowl and Redskins in the same sentence a few times about three weeks ago.

The big issue to me, is I don't think there is any question that the lockout hurt this team in a bad way. If you look around the league, the teams that are doing well are the teams that did well last year or were starting to put it together towards the end. They had less to work on - more cohesion...Most of the teams that had major personnel moves, scheme changes, and new pieces to plug in are the ones that are struggling. There are a few exceptions, but overall it is what it is. This team needed a full offseason to put it all together and since they didn't get it, they were forced to make the best decisions they could with the players they had, and hope the guys learn on the fly and stay healthy while doing it. Well, good fortune and health lasted about four weeks and that was it. Now you see this team decimated with injuries and the rest of the division getting healthy. This will be a long season if you are expecting to see this team win a lot of games. However, if you are satisfied with seeing progress despite the youth, inexperience and devestating injuries I think you can still look forward to that...

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Smackdown - unrealistic expectations and the lockout.

I think as fans we all probably wanted to believe that this team would take a big step forward this year. Maybe not big enough to get in the playoffs, surely not big enough to do anything if we made it; but at least a big enough step to look competitive and feel good about what we could accomplish in 2012 after acquiring a few more pieces.

Then came the 3-1 start, and again as fans, naturally a lot of people started "drinking the koolaid" and having visions of taking the division and having a big playoff run...I think I even saw the word Superbowl and Redskins in the same sentence a few times about three weeks ago.

The big issue to me, is I don't think there is any question that the lockout hurt this team in a bad way. If you look around the league, the teams that are doing well are the teams that did well last year or were starting to put it together towards the end. They had less to work on - more cohesion...Most of the teams that had major personnel moves, scheme changes, and new pieces to plug in are the ones that are struggling. There are a few exceptions, but overall it is what it is. This team needed a full offseason to put it all together and since they didn't get it, they were forced to make the best decisions they could with the players they had, and hope the guys learn on the fly and stay healthy while doing it. Well, good fortune and health lasted about four weeks and that was it. Now you see this team decimated with injuries and the rest of the division getting healthy. This will be a long season if you are expecting to see this team win a lot of games. However, if you are satisfied with seeing progress despite the youth, inexperience and devestating injuries I think you can still look forward to that...

Sorry Chief but the Shannahans need to be held accountable. They are mean spirited bullies that hold every one else accountable except themselves. Hubris is not a good character quality. In other words, they can dish it, let's see if they can take it.

[WilbursHomie]

It's just such a boring product. ESPN doesn't ever talk about us. Even when we get crushed, they don't even give us the respect of ripping us. Because we've been boring for 10 years. They just spent 30 minutes talking about a losing qb who was projected to be bad, on a bad team, that got crushed. How's that a compelling story? But it is. Tebow sucking is more exciting than the decline of our great franchise. Please let us be good by the time my unborn kids are old enough to care.

[diehard]

Shanahan better have a great press conference. His approval rating is at an all-time low.