Patriots Waive Haynesworth

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Are we seriously still talking about Haynesworthless?

I think this thread probably represents the Warpath's post-mortem discussion on the career of Albert Haynesworth. All questions about his character and career arc have been answered at this point. Once this thread runs its course, he'll be history around here.

Of course I thought that about Offiss and Patrick Ramsey, so who knows.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Are we seriously still talking about Haynesworthless?

People will continue to talk about this because they think it is some sort of victory for the Redskins, when it really isn't.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

People will continue to talk about this because they think it is some sort of victory for the Redskins, when it really isn't.

Well, there were some strange silliness among the fanbase about KEEPING HIM ANOTHER YEAR to "punish" him and make him suffer. If anything, I'm absolutely glad those fools were absolutely wrong in their assessment.

[Hog1]

Makes me think......just perhaps there may some justice left in the world after all.......

[Schneed10]

Looks like the original thread on Haynesworth where I was debating the sense in trading him got locked at some point. I tried to show up there to eat some crow, so I guess I'll do that here.

Kudos to Shanahan for getting rid of him, I questioned the logic of it but today more than ever it was obvious Shanahan was right. He's changing the culture and in the long run that's a positive. Too bad we're 3-5, while the Pats continue their culture of winning even with Haynesworth in tow. Guess it goes to show QBs like Tom Brady make more of a difference than any other single factor, culture included.

But kudos to those on this site who saw Haynesworth as the lost cause that he was. I figured that being a moneygrubbing whore, he'd be motivated to earn one more big contract. Many of you guys saw him as simply being a steaming pile. I'm stupid. You're smart. I was wrong. You were right. You're the best. I'm the worst. You're very good-looking. I'm not attractive.

I'm glad Shanahan made the move. Now lets go out and find a QB like Brady so we can keep winning no matter how many cowturds we have in our locker room.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Looks like the original thread on Haynesworth where I was debating the sense in trading him got locked at some point. I tried to show up there to eat some crow, so I guess I'll do that here.

Kudos to Shanahan for getting rid of him, I questioned the logic of it but today more than ever it was obvious Shanahan was right. He's changing the culture and in the long run that's a positive. Too bad we're 3-5, while the Pats continue their culture of winning even with Haynesworth in tow. Guess it goes to show QBs like Tom Brady make more of a difference than any other single factor, culture included.

But kudos to those on this site who saw Haynesworth as the lost cause that he was. I figured that being a moneygrubbing whore, he'd be motivated to earn one more big contract. Many of you guys saw him as simply being a steaming pile. I'm stupid. You're smart. I was wrong. You were right. You're the best. I'm the worst. You're very good-looking. I'm not attractive.

I'm glad Shanahan made the move. Now lets go out and find a QB like Brady so we can keep winning no matter how many cowturds we have in our locker room.

I echo Schneed's thoughts, then and now.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Kudos to Shanahan for getting rid of him, I questioned the logic of it but today more than ever it was obvious Shanahan was right. He's changing the culture and in the long run that's a positive. Too bad we're 3-5, while the Pats continue their culture of winning even with Haynesworth in tow. Guess it goes to show QBs like Tom Brady make more of a difference than any other single factor, culture included.

Well, unlike Shanahan, BB didn't wait to release him or try to "teach him a lesson." Granted that the Pats really invested close to zero on him (a 5th rounder for the Pats is nothing for a team that constantly has multiple picks in the first couple of rounds).

As I've said before, in the end this isn't much of a victory, since it clearly shows that this guy was an issue and the MS should've gotten rid of him as soon as he started here (and get that 3rd rounder that according to rumors got offered for AH).

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well, unlike Shanahan, BB didn't wait to release him or try to "teach him a lesson." Granted that the Pats really invested close to zero on him (a 5th rounder for the Pats is nothing for a team that constantly has multiple picks in the first couple of rounds).

As I've said before, in the end this isn't much of a victory, since it clearly shows that this guy was an issue and the MS should've gotten rid of him as soon as he started here (and get that 3rd rounder that according to rumors got offered for AH).

I think you've got to be a lot more diplomatic towards MS & Allen; they both were knew & their boss just paid an exorbitant sum for this guy. Easy for us to say he "should've" gotten rid of him, we don't have to tell our boss his $40 mil is gone after 1 year. MS did the right thing by confronting him & saying; 'if you take the bonus $ we expect you to play in our system.'

Given AH's attitude, this was a no-win situation for MS. He tried to get an adequate return on the investment. Now that he's been cut by NE, MS & Allen are vindicated to some degree. Of course, it's not a "victory" for the organization overall, since Vinny signed him in the first place. But in terms of moving on from that terrible signing, it's good for the organization's rep.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I think you've got to be a lot more diplomatic towards MS & Allen; they both were knew & their boss just paid an exorbitant sum for this guy. Easy for us to say he "should've" gotten rid of him, we don't have to tell our boss his $40 mil is gone after 1 year. MS did the right thing by confronting him & saying; 'if you take the bonus $ we expect you to play in our system.'

Given AH's attitude, this was a no-win situation for MS. He tried to get an adequate return on the investment. Now that he's been cut by NE, MS & Allen are vindicated to some degree. Of course, it's not a "victory" for the organization overall, since Vinny signed him in the first place. But in terms of moving on from that terrible signing, it's good for the organization's rep.

You have a timeline problem here.

Shanahan and Allen joined the Redskins in Jan 2010. The $21M check was not handed over to Haynesworth until April 2010. They - - actually Shanahan and Haslett - - had about 10 weeks to make a decision on what to do about paying Haynesworth and how they would be playing Haynesworth. They had plenty of time to ditch him and end what turned out to be a giant goat rodeo.

Now, we will NEVER know if they made an independent decision to keep him and mold him into the Shanahan/Haslett system or if the word came down from upstairs that the decision on Albert had already been made. But understand that while they are totally innocent when it comes to the original Haynesworth signing, they have some complicity in what happened last season.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well, unlike Shanahan, BB didn't wait to release him or try to "teach him a lesson." Granted that the Pats really invested close to zero on him (a 5th rounder for the Pats is nothing for a team that constantly has multiple picks in the first couple of rounds).

As I've said before, in the end this isn't much of a victory, since it clearly shows that this guy was an issue and the MS should've gotten rid of him as soon as he started here (and get that 3rd rounder that according to rumors got offered for AH).

Two totally different situations. The Pats had a hell of a lot less invested in AH. AH took the huge payout from the Redskins so they were not going to reward him after paying that amount of jack. Pretty much a common sense move for the Redskins.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Two totally different situations. The Pats had a hell of a lot less invested in AH. AH took the huge payout from the Redskins so they were not going to reward him after paying that amount of jack. Pretty much a common sense move for the Redskins.

I do not believe Shanahan cared much about the payout involved as long as it didn't affect the cap. What he saw probably was an extremely talented guy that could pay huge dividends if it worked out. Remember, he's a new guy then and didn't know AH's mind or history that well. He was making a decision that had a degree of uncertainty involved. It's clear he wasn't the only one willing to take a chance on hoping AH pans out.

Ultimately, the loss was more psychological than tangible. A toxic workplace was the ultimate loss for the players on the team. Draft picks are valuable for a rebuilding team, but at the same time, the loss of a 3rd rounder in exchange for a 5th rounder is not the end of the world.

[Counter-Tre]

From ESPN:
Putting the final snaps of Albert Haynesworth's career with the Patriots under the microscope after New England released the veteran defensive tackle Tuesday:

Believe it or not, Haynesworth's first three snaps of his final full drive (or one that didn't end with a one-play touchdown) with the Patriots were actually pretty solid. On the first play after the Giants took over early in the second quarter following a Tom Brady interception, Haynesworth jetted right past David Diehl and nearly blew up a running play at the handoff (see screenshot above). On second down, he got good push against guard Chris Snee and the Giants dropped a pass.

After an encroachment penalty gave the Giants a new set of downs, Haynesworth came about as close as he had to registering a sack, drawing a holding penalty (above) while still nearly getting to quarterback Eli Manning. If his day had ended there, Haynesworth would probably still be on the Patriots' roster.

But things went downhill. Quickly. And Haynesworth spent his final five snaps either being pushed around or on the ground.

On 1st and 20, the Giants tried to set up a little screen. Haynesworth attacked and got left eating a face full of turf when Snee released his block to get up field and block. The pass was incomplete, but Haynesworth was left flopping around on his back (above).

On 2nd and 20, the Giants ran a draw to D.J. Ware. Haynesworth's penetration should have helped blow the play up, especially when Ware got pinned behind Snee. Instead, Snee pancaked Haynesworth (above), allowing a 10-yard gain.

On 3rd and 10, the Giants again went to the air, but Haynesworth got swallowed up and stumbled to the ground at the line of scrimmage. At times, he simply looked unable to maintain his balance during the series.

Haynesworth appeared for just one more play later in the quarter, providing a solid third-down pass rush, even if he again lost his balance coming off the edge (in his defense, he was double-teamed on this particular play).

He was back on the field after another Brady interception gave the Giants a short field in the third quarter and it would be his already well-documented final snap in which Diehl pushed him around on Brandon Jacobs' 10-yard touchdown run.

A heated conversation reportedly followed with assistant coach Pepper Johnson after the play. And less than 48 hours later, the Haynesworth era was over in New England.

[Meks]

I'm sure Philly will pick him up... Andy ried and those guys know more than ne one else in this league so those sense of entitlement jerk offs will scoop him I'm sure and have some lame excuse as to y it will "be different this time" smh lol hate Philly.

[Chief X_Phackter]

It was only a matter of time. I'm surprised the NE experiment lasted this long.

Philly can have him.

[Chico23231]

The Eagles are gonna look really bad picking him up. Beyond desperate. I dont see how they make the playoffs with or without this guy. If Reid picks him up, seriously start to wonder about the future of the Eagles without Reid.