Buy or Sell?

[MTK]

1) Pass on DJ - explosive player but not worth the headaches.

2) Forte? Pass, we've got a couple of nice young backs and paying big money for a RB is not Shanahan's MO.

3) Depends.

4) K. Shanahan to Penn St? Just sounds odd. Norv coming here and Shanahan changing up the offense? That sounds even more odd.

[Chico23231]

As strange as it sounds, Im not convinced Norv is done in San Diego. That organization is very unique, and if i had to bet money, Norv stays.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

As strange as it sounds, Im not convinced Norv is done in San Diego. That organization is very unique, and if i had to bet money, Norv stays.

If you had a million dollars to bet, I'd definitely take you up on it (even though I'm not a betting man!)

Norv Turner is gone from San Diego by the end of this weekend. And not only that, so is the GM. Luckily, whoever picks Turner up as an offensive coordinator will be set! I could see Turner going to Jacksonville, or wherever the Jags will eventually wind up.

[celts32]

1. Sell DJax
2. Sell Forte
3. Buy Vikings or any other trade up that can net us Luck or RG3.
4. SELL SELL SELL SELL any thought of Norv Turner drawing another paycheck from the Redskins for the rest of eternity! Regardless, Kyle is not the problem on offense anyway...

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by celts32

1. Sell DJax
2. Sell Forte
3. Buy Vikings or any other trade up that can net us Luck or RG3.
4. SELL SELL SELL SELL any thought of Norv Turner drawing another paycheck from the Redskins for the rest of eternity! Regardless, Kyle is not the problem on offense anyway...

Its a talent issue for sure, but Shanny the second half of the season was way more involved in the offense than before.

[Lotus]

Sell Headcase DJax

Sell Forte

Buy Vikes trade if the price is not too steep

If we were to land an ex-head coach, I would want Spagnuolo, not Norv. But getting Spags likely would mean re-re-tooling for a 4-3 and that is not very sensible.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Rumor #1 is that the Eagles will shop DeSean Jackson unless his agent (Drew Rosenhaus) comes down more than a little bit on the amount of the signing bonus he wants in the new contract. Jackson not only wants guaranteed $$$ but he wants it up front at signing not stretched out over even 2 years. Jackson is a hell of a receiver but he is also a head-case and someone who has been known to "dog it".

Do you buy making a run at DeSean Jackson to upgrade by a large measure the Skins' WR corps even though he has some "issues" and is looking to get himself a fat wallet?



Rumor #2 is that the Bears will shop Matt Forte who will be coming off a serious knee injury and who wants to be paid the way a top RB is paid.

Do you buy or sell trying to acquire Forte coming off an injury?



Rumor #3 is that the Vikings would like to trade their #1 pick to get "a player" and a couple of lower round picks. Vikes will pick ahead of the Skins and may pick 3rd.

Do you buy or sell trading with the Vikings - - meaning you give up lower picks and "a player" to get two high draft picks in 2012?


Finally, here is one thing I would really like to see come to pass for the 2012 season. The Chargers will fire Norv Turner early in January. I would LOVE to see Kyle Shanahan decide to move on to some other challenge and for the Skins to hire Norv Turner as the offensive coordinator and the play caller. Any chance Mike Shanahan has enough stroke to get his kid the open head coaching job at Penn State?


[For the record, I would not try for Jackson or Forte but would seriously try to work out a deal with the Vikings...]

Jackson is a stud (when he wants to play) but I would just stay away from that. He is basically the same version of Moss. I like what we have in that area right now with Paul, Hankerson coming on as the young guys. He just seems to be a big ego in the locker room and I think we should stear clear of that kind of personality.

No way I go for Forte. He is one of the best every down back in the NFL, but with Helu and Royster and possibly Hightower (i think he gets released) we have a good tandem plus they are only 1st year guys.

As far as the draft picks with Minnesota, that may be the only option you pose that is realistic. RGIII will be available at that position in the draft. If that is a possibility, I think we'll get him. They like a mobile QB that can move around the pocket, perform the rollouts, so I think he is a good possibility.

As far as Kyle goes, no. We need to keep some continuity in Ashburn. He is a good offensive coordinator. It takes time people, plus it takes the horses. And we are missing the biggest horse needed to run this offense.....the QB. the offense is leaps better than last year. THe last month or month 1/2 have been a very productive period. Avg about 20+ points a game, yardage is up there, running game is up there. Just keep this ship moving in the right direction. Bringing in a different OC or DC diverts the ship and that is what we DO NOT NEED. THere is marked improvement on both sides of the ball, and more importantly the improvement has been brought on by the youth movement in DC. Oline is younger, receivers are younger, RB's are rookies. We are going in the right direction, just have some patience.

[SFREDSKIN]

If Norv gets fired, he will end up where came from Dallas. Garrett is currently the coach and OC and he needs help, Norv in Dallas is a marriage made in heaven.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If Norv gets fired, he will end up where came from Dallas. Garrett is currently the coach and OC and he needs help, Norv in Dallas is a marriage made in heaven.

Makes sense.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Jackson is a stud (when he wants to play) but I would just stay away from that. He is basically the same version of Moss. I like what we have in that area right now with Paul, Hankerson coming on as the young guys. He just seems to be a big ego in the locker room and I think we should stear clear of that kind of personality.

No way I go for Forte. He is one of the best every down back in the NFL, but with Helu and Royster and possibly Hightower (i think he gets released) we have a good tandem plus they are only 1st year guys.

As far as the draft picks with Minnesota, that may be the only option you pose that is realistic. RGIII will be available at that position in the draft. If that is a possibility, I think we'll get him. They like a mobile QB that can move around the pocket, perform the rollouts, so I think he is a good possibility.

As far as Kyle goes, no. We need to keep some continuity in Ashburn. He is a good offensive coordinator. It takes time people, plus it takes the horses. And we are missing the biggest horse needed to run this offense.....the QB. the offense is leaps better than last year. THe last month or month 1/2 have been a very productive period. Avg about 20+ points a game, yardage is up there, running game is up there. Just keep this ship moving in the right direction. Bringing in a different OC or DC diverts the ship and that is what we DO NOT NEED. THere is marked improvement on both sides of the ball, and more importantly the improvement has been brought on by the youth movement in DC. Oline is younger, receivers are younger, RB's are rookies. We are going in the right direction, just have some patience.

We disagree on two points.

1. DeSean Jackson is significantly better as a WR than Santana Moss was, is now or will be in the future. At the same time, Santana Moss is a significantly better teammate/locker room presence than DeSean Jackson was, is now or will be in the future.

Jackson is a better WR than anyone on the Redskins roster now and possibly for the last decade. He is also a pain in the butt.

My calculus is that he is not worth the trouble he could bring to a young team here - - not that Santana Moss is as good as he is and the Skins do not need a lot of help at WR.

2. The goal of continuity on the team is a good one but when something isn't working you make a change - - by definition that is a break in continuity - - hoping for improvement. If you REALLY want continuity, then the QBs next year will be Grossman and Beck and we can let them grow into the job... The offense needs a lot of improvement - - meaning changes meaning lack of continuity. I am all in favor of upgrading the talent on the field; the team needs it. I am also in favor of upgrading the talent on the sidelines; the team needs that too.

[KI Skins Fan]

Sell on all but the deal with the Vikings.

To do such a deal with the Vikings, we'd first need to load up with some good, young FA talent prior to the draft in order to overcome the loss of draft picks.

I'd do the deal because we need playmakers. If RGIII is there at #3 and we could take the BPA at #7 (e.g., CB Morris Claiborne or OT Jonathan Martin) it would be well worth the deal.

[over the mountain]

1) Id def kick the tires on D Jackson but if he wont budge from wanting the bulk of his guaranteed money up front then you run away. That has fat albert part 2 written all over it. We should never ever ever ever give a player a front loaded contract.

2) The bears did forte dirty imo. I know its a business. Forte wanted to be extended from his rookie contract, given guarantees he would make some decent coin in the last year of his rookie contract in case he blew a knee out. Bears wanted to hold out, make him play thru his final year then make a decision. Bears players wanted him extended.

Id pass on forte, i wouldnt offer a significant contract to any runningback past 3-4 years in the league. just a rotating door position imo, rotate every couple years.

3) Cant make an informed decision until eveyrhting plays out but RG3 would make this franchise a ton of money and restore alot of hype/hope that I dont think this fanbase has. We havent had an electric offensive player since . .i dont think we have ever had a truly electric offensive player.

4) I give KS alot more credit i suppose than others. He is working with crap, a crap QB, a crap OL, a bunch of late round or UFA rookie runningbacks and castoff wide receivers . . and yet the offense still puts up a decent showing. Have we forgotten just how dull and ineffective our offense has been the past decade? Checkdowns and 2 yard runs and a cloud of dirt was our MO for so long. Everyone was bitching and moaning for a modern offense for years, to stretch the field, down field passing attack, 3 or 4 wide, etc and we finally got one with this coaching staff. KS has devised an actual passing game with utter crap for talent. I cant understand the hate for KS, really cant.

[Player_HTTR]

Its a Fire Sale, everything must go.

[That Guy]

two high 1st would be great, it just depends what they want (of course), but i'd look into that.

[Brody81]

Really?? Norv Turner? Who is this guy?