Joe Paterno dies at age 85

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

hmmmm here we go. Where I dont think FD comment was over the line, I do think yours certainly are. I do understand your anger, but "rotting in eternity" is a bit much. I think you need to give it a rest on this day of pain for his family.

Yeah, tell that to the families of all those kids that got molested while he sat back and watch. If you want me to feel sympathy for this guy than you are mistaken and it shows a ton of your character and morality. In fact, if it were YOUR kids that got molested, you probably wouldn't be saying jack right about now. I've said I feel for his family and the loss they have suffered. They had nothing to do with it and for that, I'm sorry they lost a loved one. Joe on the other hand, can rot in hell for what he did (or didnt in this case) do.

..but guys, we should be nice because he was a legendary football coach. If this were some joe schmoe..meh....we'd bash him too.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Yeah, tell that to the families of all those kids that got molested while he sat back and watch. If you want me to feel sympathy for this guy than you are mistaken and it shows a ton of your character and morality. In fact, if it were YOUR kids that got molested, you probably wouldn't be saying jack right about now. I've said I feel for his family and the loss they have suffered. They had nothing to do with it and for that, I'm sorry they lost a loved one. Joe on the other hand, can rot in hell for what he did (or didnt in this case) do.

..but guys, we should be nice because he was a legendary football coach. If this were some joe schmoe..meh....we'd bash him too.

Haven't you noticed that no one is bashing the janitor who failed to report Sandusky? That guy certainly was a Joe Schmoe. The whole point of this Scandal vis-a-vis Paterno was that in failing to take decisive action Paterno fell short of the moral standard and example he had set for himself and the university, even if he had obeyed the law. He was and should have been held to a higher standard. But where did that standard come from? Well, it come from the way he had lived his life, and to just pretend that he didn't have a profoundly positive impact on thousands of football players and hundreds of thousands of students is to completely miss why Paterno's involvement in this was a news story in the first place. So while the last two months aren't forgotten and forgiven just because he died, it's perverse to just blindly deny all the positive things he accomplished in his life. Anyway, human beings - including Paterno - are genuinely complex, and rarely the type of unambiguously good/evil characters we see in movies like Star Wars. Unless these people are named NC_Skins or Firstdown, in which case they are unambiguously irritating beings who have been sent to this world solely to annoy me with their insensitive and ill-considered posts.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Haven't you noticed that no one is bashing the janitor who failed to report Sandusky? That guy certainly was a Joe Schmoe. The whole point of this Scandal vis-a-vis Paterno was that in failing to take decisive action Paterno fell short of the moral standard and example he had set for himself and the university, even if he had obeyed the law. He was and should have been held to a higher standard. But where did that standard come from? Well, it come from the way he had lived his life, and to just pretend that he didn't have a profoundly positive impact on thousands of football players and hundreds of thousands of students is to completely miss why Paterno's involvement in this was a news story in the first place. So while the last two months aren't forgotten and forgiven just because he died, it's perverse to just blindly deny all the positive things he accomplished in his life. Anyway, human beings - including Paterno - are genuinely complex, and rarely the type of unambiguously good/evil characters we see in movies like Star Wars. Unless these people are named NC_Skins or Firstdown, in which case they are unambiguously irritating beings who have been sent to this world solely to annoy me with their insensitive and ill-considered posts.

Very well said. The main reason I said "it's sort of sad" in the initial post is for the exact reasons you pointed out. While he went out with a severely tarnished legend due to his inaction regarding the piece of garbage, Sandusky, it's hard to discount the fact that he gained that legendary status based on more than just wins.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Very well said. The main reason I said "it's sort of sad" in the initial post is for the exact reasons you pointed out. While he went out with a severely tarnished legend due to his inaction regarding the piece of garbage, Sandusky, it's hard to discount the fact that he gained that legendary status based on more than just wins.

Doesn't that speak volumes of you though? Ok, this guy did a lot of good in his life, but still allowed child molestation to go on? Would you be saying this if it were your kids? I want a answer to that.


Really? Are you people that pathetic in your morality?...lol

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Haven't you noticed that no one is bashing the janitor who failed to report Sandusky? That guy certainly was a Joe Schmoe. The whole point of this Scandal vis-a-vis Paterno was that in failing to take decisive action Paterno fell short of the moral standard and example he had set for himself and the university, even if he had obeyed the law. He was and should have been held to a higher standard. But where did that standard come from? Well, it come from the way he had lived his life, and to just pretend that he didn't have a profoundly positive impact on thousands of football players and hundreds of thousands of students is to completely miss why Paterno's involvement in this was a news story in the first place. So while the last two months aren't forgotten and forgiven just because he died, it's perverse to just blindly deny all the positive things he accomplished in his life. Anyway, human beings - including Paterno - are genuinely complex, and rarely the type of unambiguously good/evil characters we see in movies like Star Wars. Unless these people are named NC_Skins or Firstdown, in which case they are unambiguously irritating beings who have been sent to this world solely to annoy me with their insensitive and ill-considered posts.

Poor baby, did I hurt your feelings? If you read other articles, you find that this isn't the first time that JoePa covered up something bad. I think I recall reading a article where he supposedly made this claim of rape by one of his football players go away without a proper investigation. You really think this child molestation is the first case of him covering up something bad?...lol

Again, the mere fact you put this asshole on a pedestal all because of his legend a football coach speaks about your morality and character. As for the others, when they die, I too will wish that they burn in hell just like I did with JoePa. This isn't only directed at JoePa, it's directed at ALL of them involved.

Excuse me if you have a problem with me hating child molestation, obviously you are ok with it as long as the person does other good deeds.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Poor baby, did I hurt your feelings? If you read other articles, you find that this isn't the first time that JoePa covered up something bad. I think I recall reading a article where he supposedly made this claim of rape by one of his football players go away without a proper investigation. You really think this child molestation is the first case of him covering up something bad?...lol

Again, the mere fact you put this asshole on a pedestal all because of his legend a football coach speaks about your morality and character. As for the others, when they die, I too will wish that they burn in hell just like I did with JoePa. This isn't only directed at JoePa, it's directed at ALL of them involved.

Excuse me if you have a problem with me hating child molestation, obviously you are ok with it as long as the person does other good deeds.

You don't know what you're talking about and you're not worth my time. Have a nice life.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

You don't know what you're talking about and you're not worth my time. Have a nice life.

..and you've never been sexually molested as a kid. (retracted...I've cooled down)

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Haven't you noticed that no one is bashing the janitor who failed to report Sandusky?

"Jim was a temporary employee at the Lasch Building, working there for approximately 8 months. No report was ever made by Jim Calhoun. Jim presently suffers from dementia, resides in a nursing home, and is incompetent to testify. Victim 8's identity is unknown."

One of the few things I was able to read in the grand jury report, mainly because it was on the last page and I figured I might as well peak at that part before closing the report.

Obviously it doesn't excuse him completely but it does indicate that there's more to the janitors story.