Carl Banks quasi-defends T.O. on Sirius

TheMalcolmConnection · 06-14-2005, 09:10 PM

Wow, you beat me to it. I'll just expand on your point:

When Donald Trump makes more money does it hurt OUR pocketbooks? (I'm sure SOMEONE can raise that argumet with an in-depth economic analysis, but let it rest for now) No. It does not.

When TO and the people who worship the Eagles demands and new contract and god forbid he gets one, the fans get it right up the ass. If you go with a greater good argument, the ticket increase to pay that asshole's salary that should have already been in a contract would hit each and EVERY single fan to go to every game that TO plays in (and most likely the ones after he retires or leaves). They're getting hit hard anyway, but what kind of asshole says, "I know in my heart what I'm doing is right." and doesn't think about the consequences of what it does to the people who pay his fucking salary?

One TO family is NOT worth the price to thousands of (unfortunately) Eagles fans who DO work their asses off just as hard (and some not as hard) to come and watch him run his mouth and then complain that his millions aren't good enough to feed his family.

KLHJ2 · 06-14-2005, 10:23 PM

Athletes are all a bunch of overpaid crybabies who dont realize how good they really have it, and its all of the fans fault. I f the fans didnt support sports as much as they do and there were less demand; then there would be less money paid into the sport. With that said there would be less money paid to players. If it were a perfect world then to watch a game would be extremely cheap, and football would be a part time job to players. More players would play for the love of the game and owners would be happy just to own a team. But it is not a perfect world. Fans demand a winning team, and will pay alot of money to see it. Owners are greedy and want to capitalize, and players are the workhands that want a piece of the profit for their labor.

In closing, bitch about it all you like, but its our fault that the situation is the way it is.

jdlea · 06-15-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by angryssg

Athletes are all a bunch of overpaid crybabies who dont realize how good they really have it, and its all of the fans fault. I f the fans didnt support sports as much as they do and there were less demand; then there would be less money paid into the sport. With that said there would be less money paid to players. If it were a perfect world then to watch a game would be extremely cheap, and football would be a part time job to players. More players would play for the love of the game and owners would be happy just to own a team. But it is not a perfect world. Fans demand a winning team, and will pay alot of money to see it. Owners are greedy and want to capitalize, and players are the workhands that want a piece of the profit for their labor.

In closing, bitch about it all you like, but its our fault that the situation is the way it is.

That's kinda the point I was trying to make. When I get upset with an organization they stop getting my money. That's why athletes get paid so much. It's the jersey sales, The team decals, The team blankets, the throwbacks, etc. All of that. Anything with an NFL Logo on it contributes to the money players get paid. You're right it is the fan's fault and that's why I'm not mad.

SmootSmack · 06-15-2005, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

That's kinda the point I was trying to make. When I get upset with an organization they stop getting my money. That's why athletes get paid so much. It's the jersey sales, The team decals, The team blankets, the throwbacks, etc. All of that. Anything with an NFL Logo on it contributes to the money players get paid. You're right it is the fan's fault and that's why I'm not mad.

Add to that the simple economics of supply and demand. There can only be so many NFL players in this world at one time. That limited supply means increased demand for the best football players and thus the price goes up.

Now Matty will tell us what the optimal input choice is...

manicd · 06-15-2005, 11:58 PM

I gotta love the way PSUSkins fan broke it down. The bottom line is, owners are on top of the food chain. Sorry. Boo fucking hoo. It's a fact of life. Sorry. Let's stop it now. The Donald Trump scenario was perfect. He's the guy IN POWER!. Not the guy working for him. Does TO have the right to bitch? Absolutely. But it don't hold squat. The End. Move on.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-14-2005, 11:27 PM

It's very admirable when someone doesn't seek the biggest contract they can get in order to help the team, but I don't see how T.O. should be hated for seeking a bigger deal. Should I feel sorry for the owners (who are reaping billions off of the sweat of others)? Nope. Should I feel sorry for other players on the team (many of whom would do exactly what TO is doing if they were as good as he is)? Nope. Should I feel sorry for the fans? Yeah, the fans get a raw deal in all of this, but it's easy for the fans to criticize T.O. - football isn't their job and they don't stand to make millions of dollars by getting a new contract.

Does anyone work for a company and try to get a raise? Just realize that getting a raise takes away money from a company's budget (and hence ability to pay other workers at the company).

I know that I'm going to try to get the most money from my employer that I possibly can - and nearly everyone does the same thing. I don't care if I'm making $100 or $100 million - I'm greedy and I want to get what I think I'm worth. Hate me if you will for my greedy attitude, but chances are, you're exactly the same.

mooby · 06-14-2005, 11:31 PM

yeah ramseyfan your right. i would do the same thing. but because im in this situation i can't say i will. right now, i would play for the minimum because i love the skins so much, but if i became a good player, than i would want to be payed like one. im glad t.o. is holding out, and i hope it continues into the season. why do i say this, it's because it would benefit the redskins seeing as t.o. wouldn't be on the field, and that's one less person we have to worry about. god bless t.o., and cory simon, and brian westbrook, and all the eagles players holding out.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-14-2005, 11:39 PM

Mooby,

I'd pay just to put on a Redskins uniform and sit on the sidelines. So, I understand the frustration people have with "spoiled" players who try to get monster deals, hold out, etc.

But, I also understand the players' point of view. What T.O. did for McNabb and company last season (not to mention the team's bottom line and the owner's pocketbook) is nothing short of amazing. I personally dislike T.O. for reasons other than his holdout, but I can't blame him for wanting a new deal. Hey, even our man Portis was going to hold out in Denver (just two years into his deal) before he was traded to our team.

TheMalcolmConnection · 06-15-2005, 11:10 AM

Very well put. Again, TO doesn't have a single leg to stand on in this argument.

saden1 · 06-15-2005, 06:12 PM

It is human nature to want more. You better believe I’d be saying good bye to all my co-workers tomorrow if Airbus offered me a significant amount more (15K would do it) than what I make at Boeing today. I don’t have any kids but who doesn’t a nice boat in their garage?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-15-2005, 07:49 PM

PSUSkinsFan,

When I say I don't hate T.O. for wanting more money, I don't base that lack of disgust/hate on legal theories. Rather, I am simply saying that T.O. outperformed his deal and regardless of the terms of his deal, I don't blame him for wanting more.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 06-16-2005, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

PSUSkinsFan,

When I say I don't hate T.O. for wanting more money, I don't base that lack of disgust/hate on legal theories. Rather, I am simply saying that T.O. outperformed his deal and regardless of the terms of his deal, I don't blame him for wanting more.

Totally understand that RF.......and that's a valid point.
The only point I took issue with was justifying holdouts by saying, "hey, they're just businessmen trying to make the most they can." I deal with businessmen every day, and in no scenario are they allowed to breach contracts in order to make more money (at least, they are not allowed to without fully expecting a lawsuit being thrown back at them). So I just don't like the analogy. Simply saying that there is nothing wrong with a guy wanting more money is not enough to compare TO to Ralph Lauren.........it's, for me, more about the way in which they are trying to get that money.

Take, for example, Hines Ward. Now I know I've brought his name up a few times before, but just yesterday or the day before I saw that the negotiations are not going as quickly and smoothly as he expected. So what did he do? He purchased a $5 million injury protection insurance policy so that he wouldn't have to miss a single day with his team while the negotiations continue, and he also doesn't have to worry about a financial hit if he gets injured. As long as I see guys doing it the right way, I won't forgive players like TO for doing it the wrong way.

Actually, looking back on it, I guess I also took issue with the argument that it's ok to hold out because the team can cut the player whenever they want. I just wanted to show that I don't think there is anything wrong with that when the player is getting so much guaranteed money up front. The team has, essentially, paid for that right to cut the player after handing them a truckload of money before they even caught a single pass. Just trying to offer another perspective.

TheMalcolmConnection · 06-16-2005, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Actually, looking back on it, I guess I also took issue with the argument that it's ok to hold out because the team can cut the player whenever they want. I just wanted to show that I don't think there is anything wrong with that when the player is getting so much guaranteed money up front. The team has, essentially, paid for that right to cut the player after handing them a truckload of money before they even caught a single pass. Just trying to offer another perspective.

In addition to that, I said in another post that the people like TO who ARE demanding that extra money are the ones oftentimes responsible for other players getting cut due to "cap hell".

PSUSkinsFan21 · 06-16-2005, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

In addition to that, I said in another post that the people like TO who ARE demanding that extra money are the ones oftentimes responsible for other players getting cut due to "cap hell".

That's true.
It's no coincidence that the Eagles, who have never renegotiated a contract with anyone who has held out or threatened to hold out, have absolutely no cap concerns. It's not coincidence that year after year they are in a position to pick and choice who they want to re-sign and who they don't want to re-sign. The players on that team all know that as long as they do their job well enough, they will remain employed because the Eagles simply don't have to cut guys for financial reasons.

John Hasbrouck · 06-16-2005, 02:32 AM

Go back to the fifties and earlier. Most of the players played for a few thousand per season and some of the "Stars" up in the 15,ooo range. Go back further and they played for about nothing. The game was a whole lot rougher also. Besides it is all in the signing bonus. I would think the player would be thankfull he could command a contract in the millions.

06-14-2005, 09:10 PM	#1
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Carl Banks quasi-defends T.O. on Sirius Wow, you beat me to it. I'll just expand on your point: When Donald Trump makes more money does it hurt OUR pocketbooks? (I'm sure SOMEONE can raise that argumet with an in-depth economic analysis, but let it rest for now) No. It does not. When TO and the people who worship the Eagles demands and new contract and god forbid he gets one, the fans get it right up the ass. If you go with a greater good argument, the ticket increase to pay that asshole's salary that should have already been in a contract would hit each and EVERY single fan to go to every game that TO plays in (and most likely the ones after he retires or leaves). They're getting hit hard anyway, but what kind of asshole says, "I know in my heart what I'm doing is right." and doesn't think about the consequences of what it does to the people who pay his fucking salary? One TO family is NOT worth the price to thousands of (unfortunately) Eagles fans who DO work their asses off just as hard (and some not as hard) to come and watch him run his mouth and then complain that his millions aren't good enough to feed his family. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

06-14-2005, 10:23 PM	#2
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 47 Posts: 5,829	Re: Carl Banks quasi-defends T.O. on Sirius Athletes are all a bunch of overpaid crybabies who dont realize how good they really have it, and its all of the fans fault. I f the fans didnt support sports as much as they do and there were less demand; then there would be less money paid into the sport. With that said there would be less money paid to players. If it were a perfect world then to watch a game would be extremely cheap, and football would be a part time job to players. More players would play for the love of the game and owners would be happy just to own a team. But it is not a perfect world. Fans demand a winning team, and will pay alot of money to see it. Owners are greedy and want to capitalize, and players are the workhands that want a piece of the profit for their labor. In closing, bitch about it all you like, but its our fault that the situation is the way it is.

06-15-2005, 11:58 PM	#5
manicd Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 155	Re: Carl Banks quasi-defends T.O. on Sirius I gotta love the way PSUSkins fan broke it down. The bottom line is, owners are on top of the food chain. Sorry. Boo fucking hoo. It's a fact of life. Sorry. Let's stop it now. The Donald Trump scenario was perfect. He's the guy IN POWER!. Not the guy working for him. Does TO have the right to bitch? Absolutely. But it don't hold squat. The End. Move on.

06-14-2005, 11:27 PM	#6
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Re: Carl Banks quasi-defends T.O. on Sirius It's very admirable when someone doesn't seek the biggest contract they can get in order to help the team, but I don't see how T.O. should be hated for seeking a bigger deal. Should I feel sorry for the owners (who are reaping billions off of the sweat of others)? Nope. Should I feel sorry for other players on the team (many of whom would do exactly what TO is doing if they were as good as he is)? Nope. Should I feel sorry for the fans? Yeah, the fans get a raw deal in all of this, but it's easy for the fans to criticize T.O. - football isn't their job and they don't stand to make millions of dollars by getting a new contract. Does anyone work for a company and try to get a raise? Just realize that getting a raise takes away money from a company's budget (and hence ability to pay other workers at the company). I know that I'm going to try to get the most money from my employer that I possibly can - and nearly everyone does the same thing. I don't care if I'm making $100 or $100 million - I'm greedy and I want to get what I think I'm worth. Hate me if you will for my greedy attitude, but chances are, you're exactly the same.

06-14-2005, 11:31 PM	#7
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,577	Re: Carl Banks quasi-defends T.O. on Sirius yeah ramseyfan your right. i would do the same thing. but because im in this situation i can't say i will. right now, i would play for the minimum because i love the skins so much, but if i became a good player, than i would want to be payed like one. im glad t.o. is holding out, and i hope it continues into the season. why do i say this, it's because it would benefit the redskins seeing as t.o. wouldn't be on the field, and that's one less person we have to worry about. god bless t.o., and cory simon, and brian westbrook, and all the eagles players holding out. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

06-14-2005, 11:39 PM	#8
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Re: Carl Banks quasi-defends T.O. on Sirius Mooby, I'd pay just to put on a Redskins uniform and sit on the sidelines. So, I understand the frustration people have with "spoiled" players who try to get monster deals, hold out, etc. But, I also understand the players' point of view. What T.O. did for McNabb and company last season (not to mention the team's bottom line and the owner's pocketbook) is nothing short of amazing. I personally dislike T.O. for reasons other than his holdout, but I can't blame him for wanting a new deal. Hey, even our man Portis was going to hold out in Denver (just two years into his deal) before he was traded to our team.

06-15-2005, 11:10 AM	#9
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Carl Banks quasi-defends T.O. on Sirius Very well put. Again, TO doesn't have a single leg to stand on in this argument. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

06-15-2005, 06:12 PM	#10
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: Carl Banks quasi-defends T.O. on Sirius It is human nature to want more. You better believe I’d be saying good bye to all my co-workers tomorrow if Airbus offered me a significant amount more (15K would do it) than what I make at Boeing today. I don’t have any kids but who doesn’t a nice boat in their garage?

06-15-2005, 07:49 PM	#11
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Re: Carl Banks quasi-defends T.O. on Sirius PSUSkinsFan, When I say I don't hate T.O. for wanting more money, I don't base that lack of disgust/hate on legal theories. Rather, I am simply saying that T.O. outperformed his deal and regardless of the terms of his deal, I don't blame him for wanting more.

06-16-2005, 02:32 AM	#15
John Hasbrouck Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 180	Re: Carl Banks quasi-defends T.O. on Sirius Go back to the fifties and earlier. Most of the players played for a few thousand per season and some of the "Stars" up in the 15,ooo range. Go back further and they played for about nothing. The game was a whole lot rougher also. Besides it is all in the signing bonus. I would think the player would be thankfull he could command a contract in the millions.

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