Flag Football Update

joecrisp · 07-11-2005, 02:50 PM

At this point, I'm looking at eBay Giving Works's "Mission Fish" service as an online auctioneering tool that will allow us to auction off the roster spots. Obviously, in order for this thing to come to life, we need to be able to guarantee a certain amount of charitable income for The Good Samaritan Foundation, so I'm planning on setting minimum bids for the roster spots that will ensure this event is worth the organization's time.

We're still working on what the roster sizes should be, and from that we'll be able to determine how much the minimum bids should be for each roster spot.

We also need your help in locating a sponsor(s) who would be able to cover the costs of team jerseys-- probably the largest expense we're going to encounter in organizing this thing.

Sponsors will also be needed for gameday provisions such as flag-belts for the players, sports beverages, team and MVP trophies, etc. If you or anyone you know can help provide these items, please let me know. Just post your message on this thread.

The details of organizing the actual teams are still somewhat nebulous, but we'd like to get each of the major unofficial Redskins fan websites involved (at least us, Extremeskins, TheHogs.net, hailRedskins.com). In terms of numbers, what we're basically looking at is teams of around 20 players. That roster size would provide a full offense, defense and 4-man bench for an 8-on-8 game format.

Given the fact that everyone's from different geographic areas, it will be tough to organize practices, so what we were thinking about doing is having a designated practice period the morning of the tournament, for about 2 hours-- say 10am to 12pm. That would give players time to get to the practice location, and then teammates would be able to meet each other, run some plays, figure out their gameplans, etc. Then everyone would break for lunch, and would return for the actual tournament. It would be great if we could arrange some sort of sponsored lunch, with some kind of informational program on The Good Samaritan Foundation, so everyone could learn a little something about the organization we're supporting. That would give players time to digest their food before heading back out to the field.

The team matchups would be determined by random drawing, and each game would last approximately 40 minutes (10 min. quarters with a running clock). There would need to be a short halftime as well, so that would bump up the total game time to around 45-50 minutes.

Assuming there are 4 teams, we'd have only one qualifying round for the championship game. The championship game would be held a little later in the day, with an awards banquet and dinner following the game. The tournament champion and offensive and defensive MVPs for each team would be presented with their trophies at the banquet. We're tentatively planning on having the honorary coaches-- Art Monk and Charles Mann-- select the MVPs, and present them with their awards.

That's all the details I have for now. Please post here and let me know if you have any ideas or potential sponsors that could help get this thing off the ground.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-11-2005, 02:41 PM

So you believe what you're doing is right in your heart?

SmootSmack · 07-11-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

So you believe what you're doing is right in your heart?

LOL...of course, we can't forget your "courageous" performance last season. You were so brave out there

Redskins_P · 07-11-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

LOL...of course, we can't forget your "courageous" performance last season. You were so brave out there

Oh so Malcolm is the courageous one now? I thought I was? Whatever happened to "Redskins_P is super smart, and the thing about him is.....he's a tough son of gun".

TAFKAS, you know what Kevin Winslow was right. You're not a man of your word.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-11-2005, 02:59 PM

My ideas for sponsors, and this is for everyone, is to find an organization that is national or international in your area. Because, as Joe said, we are all from different geographical locations, Mike's Donut Shop won't exactly want to support our team when we're 100+ miles away.

So far, what you're saying looks excellent and very much doable.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-11-2005, 03:48 PM

Is anyone else just completely pumped that this is looking like it could actually happen now?

SmootSmack · 07-11-2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Is anyone else just completely pumped that this is looking like it could actually happen now?

Actually I'm starting to feel some pressure here. This is like a fulltime job putting this all together

Gmanc711 · 07-11-2005, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Is anyone else just completely pumped that this is looking like it could actually happen now?

Yeah! I'm pumped to hear its back and being discussed. I thought the idea kinda died out, but now I'm in scramble mode to see how I could fit that inthat weekend because I have to be there!

Btw, TAKFAS if you need help PM me. I dont know what I could do, but if theres anything you think I could, dont hesitate to drop me a line.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-11-2005, 03:59 PM

Well originally I "offered" my assistance, but I was on a need-to-know basis. At that current juncture, I did not need to know.

If we win, just remember whose idea this was. If we lose, Redskins_P did it.

That Guy · 07-12-2005, 02:59 AM

getting sponsorships should be a bit easier since its for charity and art monk/charles mann are interested...

we may need to look into a ref and get doc and mitchell out for post game interviews

Schneed10 · 07-12-2005, 09:01 AM

Joe Crisp, that's a tremendous idea with auctioning off the roster spots, that's a great way to raise the cash for charity. I like it.

At this point I plan on bidding for one of those roster spots, I don't know of any schedule conflicts for that weekend. Hopefully The Warpath can use a 6'2" 200 pounder at WR, CB, or Safety. I'll have to get into shape a bit though, my endurance ain't what it used to be; I'll be suckin wind after one pass pattern!

I plan on representing myself in contract negotiations. I fired Rosenhaus, he has been paying too much attention to Redskin_P's holdout.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-12-2005, 09:15 AM

I represent myself for the love of the game.

Any rough idea on how much these roster spots will cost? I REALLY want to play, but not for like 200 dollars or more...

Schneed10 · 07-12-2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I represent myself for the love of the game.

Any rough idea on how much these roster spots will cost? I REALLY want to play, but not for like 200 dollars or more...

Since we'll have 20 roster spots, if a roster spot is $100 that would amount to $2000 for the charity. I have no idea what amount a charity would deem worthwhile though. Maybe they'd work with us for $500, maybe they need more, Joe Crisp do you know?

Really, I'm thinking these roster spots will be driven by supply and demand. There would be a minimum starting bid, and from there it would just depend on who is willing to bid the most. I have only been on this site for a couple months, but I'm not sure I can see 20 different people on here shelling out $100 each for a roster spot. But Joe Crisp is the man on these questions.

joecrisp · 07-12-2005, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Since we'll have 20 roster spots, if a roster spot is $100 that would amount to $2000 for the charity. I have no idea what amount a charity would deem worthwhile though. Maybe they'd work with us for $500, maybe they need more, Joe Crisp do you know?

Really, I'm thinking these roster spots will be driven by supply and demand. There would be a minimum starting bid, and from there it would just depend on who is willing to bid the most. I have only been on this site for a couple months, but I'm not sure I can see 20 different people on here shelling out $100 each for a roster spot. But Joe Crisp is the man on these questions.

TAFKAS is our contact man for The Good Samaritan Foundation, and he'd be able to get the bottom line info from them, but I'm thinking we'd need to generate around $10,000 total charitable income (the money raised from the roster auctions from all the sites involved) for this to be a viable event. Any amount for a charity is fine, of course, but we want this to be an annual event, and in order for that to happen, we need to show the sponsors and the charity that we mean business-- literally!

Remember, we're the smallest Redskins fan website-- in terms of total membership (just over 1,000)-- of the "Big 4" non-profit Redskins sites. That means the supply and demand dynamic for our roster spots is going to be a little less competitive than it will be for the other sites-- especially Extremeskins, which boasts over 34,000 members. Combined, all of the websites should be able to produce a total contribution in the range of $8,000 to $10,000.

I was thinking that a minimum bid of $35 would be reasonable, and that competitive bidding would likely drive the average winning bids into the range of $100 or so. That may be optimistic, but it may also be a very conservative estimate.

I think a lot depends on what we're able to do with sponsors, and what potential prizes we might have on the line for the winning team and MVPs of the tournament. If we can line up some great prizes, folks might be willing to bid a little higher for an opportunity to compete for the goodies. Obviously, trophies and awards would be in order, but some cool toys might also up the ante a bit.

Schneed10 · 07-14-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by joecrisp

TAFKAS is our contact man for The Good Samaritan Foundation, and he'd be able to get the bottom line info from them, but I'm thinking we'd need to generate around $10,000 total charitable income (the money raised from the roster auctions from all the sites involved) for this to be a viable event. Any amount for a charity is fine, of course, but we want this to be an annual event, and in order for that to happen, we need to show the sponsors and the charity that we mean business-- literally!

Remember, we're the smallest Redskins fan website-- in terms of total membership (just over 1,000)-- of the "Big 4" non-profit Redskins sites. That means the supply and demand dynamic for our roster spots is going to be a little less competitive than it will be for the other sites-- especially Extremeskins, which boasts over 34,000 members. Combined, all of the websites should be able to produce a total contribution in the range of $8,000 to $10,000.

I was thinking that a minimum bid of $35 would be reasonable, and that competitive bidding would likely drive the average winning bids into the range of $100 or so. That may be optimistic, but it may also be a very conservative estimate.

I think a lot depends on what we're able to do with sponsors, and what potential prizes we might have on the line for the winning team and MVPs of the tournament. If we can line up some great prizes, folks might be willing to bid a little higher for an opportunity to compete for the goodies. Obviously, trophies and awards would be in order, but some cool toys might also up the ante a bit.

Wow, so this thing is going big! Sweet, it sounds like a real blast. I'm not sure how I can help living here in Philly, but if I can do something for you please let me know!

07-11-2005, 02:50 PM	#1
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 49 Posts: 1,501	Re: Flag Football Update At this point, I'm looking at eBay Giving Works's "Mission Fish" service as an online auctioneering tool that will allow us to auction off the roster spots. Obviously, in order for this thing to come to life, we need to be able to guarantee a certain amount of charitable income for The Good Samaritan Foundation, so I'm planning on setting minimum bids for the roster spots that will ensure this event is worth the organization's time. We're still working on what the roster sizes should be, and from that we'll be able to determine how much the minimum bids should be for each roster spot. We also need your help in locating a sponsor(s) who would be able to cover the costs of team jerseys-- probably the largest expense we're going to encounter in organizing this thing. Sponsors will also be needed for gameday provisions such as flag-belts for the players, sports beverages, team and MVP trophies, etc. If you or anyone you know can help provide these items, please let me know. Just post your message on this thread. The details of organizing the actual teams are still somewhat nebulous, but we'd like to get each of the major unofficial Redskins fan websites involved (at least us, Extremeskins, TheHogs.net, hailRedskins.com). In terms of numbers, what we're basically looking at is teams of around 20 players. That roster size would provide a full offense, defense and 4-man bench for an 8-on-8 game format. Given the fact that everyone's from different geographic areas, it will be tough to organize practices, so what we were thinking about doing is having a designated practice period the morning of the tournament, for about 2 hours-- say 10am to 12pm. That would give players time to get to the practice location, and then teammates would be able to meet each other, run some plays, figure out their gameplans, etc. Then everyone would break for lunch, and would return for the actual tournament. It would be great if we could arrange some sort of sponsored lunch, with some kind of informational program on The Good Samaritan Foundation, so everyone could learn a little something about the organization we're supporting. That would give players time to digest their food before heading back out to the field. The team matchups would be determined by random drawing, and each game would last approximately 40 minutes (10 min. quarters with a running clock). There would need to be a short halftime as well, so that would bump up the total game time to around 45-50 minutes. Assuming there are 4 teams, we'd have only one qualifying round for the championship game. The championship game would be held a little later in the day, with an awards banquet and dinner following the game. The tournament champion and offensive and defensive MVPs for each team would be presented with their trophies at the banquet. We're tentatively planning on having the honorary coaches-- Art Monk and Charles Mann-- select the MVPs, and present them with their awards. That's all the details I have for now. Please post here and let me know if you have any ideas or potential sponsors that could help get this thing off the ground. __________________ Joe Crisp covered Redskins camps for TheWarpath.net for three years. He also covered Redskins Training Camp 2005 for The Daily Progress.

07-11-2005, 02:41 PM	#2
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Flag Football Update So you believe what you're doing is right in your heart? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-11-2005, 02:59 PM	#5
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Flag Football Update My ideas for sponsors, and this is for everyone, is to find an organization that is national or international in your area. Because, as Joe said, we are all from different geographical locations, Mike's Donut Shop won't exactly want to support our team when we're 100+ miles away. So far, what you're saying looks excellent and very much doable. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-11-2005, 03:48 PM	#6
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Flag Football Update Is anyone else just completely pumped that this is looking like it could actually happen now? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-11-2005, 03:59 PM	#9
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Flag Football Update Well originally I "offered" my assistance, but I was on a need-to-know basis. At that current juncture, I did not need to know. If we win, just remember whose idea this was. If we lose, Redskins_P did it. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-12-2005, 02:59 AM	#10
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Flag Football Update getting sponsorships should be a bit easier since its for charity and art monk/charles mann are interested... we may need to look into a ref and get doc and mitchell out for post game interviews

07-12-2005, 09:01 AM	#11
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Flag Football Update Joe Crisp, that's a tremendous idea with auctioning off the roster spots, that's a great way to raise the cash for charity. I like it. At this point I plan on bidding for one of those roster spots, I don't know of any schedule conflicts for that weekend. Hopefully The Warpath can use a 6'2" 200 pounder at WR, CB, or Safety. I'll have to get into shape a bit though, my endurance ain't what it used to be; I'll be suckin wind after one pass pattern! I plan on representing myself in contract negotiations. I fired Rosenhaus, he has been paying too much attention to Redskin_P's holdout.

07-12-2005, 09:15 AM	#12
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Flag Football Update I represent myself for the love of the game. Any rough idea on how much these roster spots will cost? I REALLY want to play, but not for like 200 dollars or more... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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