do we show our hand to soon (Barrow allowed to seek trade)

[firstdown]

I could not find any news that we wanted to trade Barrow. Where did this come from?

[MTK]

Check the news wire

http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?threadid=6921

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Right. Eventually Rod will just have to take what he can getg.

[BrudLee]

In trying to get rid of either player, how would you suggest we proceed? We are allowing them to seek employment elsewhere, which would allow us to possibly get some compensation for their release. If the decision is made to get rid of Barrow (which likely means they have seen good things from a new addition, so that's a plus), then releasing him or trading him doesn't affect our cap situation either way. If someone is willing to part with a 5th rounder, then great. If not, it would allow us to hold onto Gardner until someone is willing to trade for him, rather than cutting him to sign draft picks.

[FRPLG]

This is the nature of football. How often are trades ever made? Not often compared to other sports. Why? Because the nature of the salary cap and team's reluctance to make moves based on chemistry reasons means it is difficult to get a trade worked out. It is common in the NFL for teams to allow players to seek trades such as in the case of 50/50. The reason they do this is because teams know that with the cap if a team is looking to get rid of a guy they're 95% going to simply release him when it becomes advantageous. Therefore the only way to actually consumate a trade is to get the player to agree to a long term deal so it is in the other team's interest to actually trade for the player rather waiting for him to hit the market and then be faced with competition. To get a long term deal the player has to be involved and it is in no way in the player's benefit to stay quiet about this. There is no "better way" to deal with this issue.

[firstdown]

Its sad to say but our best senario is that a teem has an injury to a WR very early in training camp. That may give use some negotiating power. I would not wish injury on anyone.

[Defensewins]

Here is one problem that our front office created and could have avoided, that contributed to this situation:
Given our salary cap situation, we do not have enough space to sign our rookies. We have to get rid of someone to sign our rookies and this telegraphs to all the other teams that we HAVE to get rid of someone.
So other teams will just sit back and wait for these players and get them for free; rather offer up valuable draft picks.
We have to dump the salary of RG and MB. Every team in the NFL knows this. We will not anything for them.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Here is one problem that our front office created and could have avoided, that contributed to this situation:
Given our salary cap situation, we do not have enough space to sign our rookies. We have to get rid of someone to sign our rookies and this telegraphs to all the other teams that we HAVE to get rid of someone.
So other teams will just sit back and wait for these players and get them for free; rather offer up valuable draft picks.
We have to dump the salary of RG and MB. Every team in the NFL knows this. We will not anything for them.

How could they have avoided this? Again...not saying I disagree but I am going to start policing statements like this. If you think they should have done something differently then you need to have a reasonable alternative. Simply bitching and moaning because something didn't work out perfectly is pointless. Things often don't work out perfectly in the NFL. Lets have a good discussion on what SHOULD have happened rather than complaining simply because you didn't like the result. Maybe the result was unavoidable.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

How could they have avoided this? Again...not saying I disagree but I am going to start policing statements like this. If you think they should have done something differently then you need to have a reasonable alternative. Simply bitching and moaning because something didn't work out perfectly is pointless. Things often don't work out perfectly in the NFL. Lets have a good discussion on what SHOULD have happened rather than complaining simply because you didn't like the result. Maybe the result was unavoidable.

Bitching and moaning? LOL What a joke.
I just pointed out a problem, how is that bitching and moaning?

Here is a solution to the problem I pointed out:
We should never have traded Coles away at a cost $7m in cap cost. Plus signing the replacement Moss for $?M more in cap space. The replacement of one player (Coles) ended up costing us some $8M in cap money. Our rookies require only about $3M in cap space. we would never have had this problem. problem solved!

While Coles voiced his dipleasure at last years offense, Coles has never been a bad attitude player and there is NO indication he would have been one if he stayed. To say he would have been is speculation. John Riggins was a huge distraction and held out an entire season because he wanted to be traded. riggo came back and won a Superbowl for us.
Players and coaches disagree all the time, getting rid of Coles was drastic and at a big cost.

[MTK]

Before last year Barrow was an iron man and the guy that Williams trusted to come in and run his D.

In hindsight it's easy to say it's a move that shouldn't have been made, but until crystal balls are used as a evaluation tool stuff like this is going to happen unfortunately.

Instead of always focusing on the negative, let's look at the other side here. Williams must be pretty confident in the guys competing for the MLB spot if he's willing to dump a healthy Barrow.

[MTK]

Last year's personnel moves outside of Brunell were very solid and borderline exceptional with guys like Griffin and Springs, two moves that critics had a field day with. The jury is out on this year simply because we haven't seen these guys play yet.

Instead of jumping to the "we need a GM" take anytime something happens you don't agree with, why don't we see how this year plays out first?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Last year's personnel moves outside of Brunell were very solid and borderline exceptional with guys like Griffin and Springs, two moves that critics had a field day with. The jury is out on this year simply because we haven't seen these guys play yet.

Instead of jumping to the "we need a GM" take anytime something happens you don't agree with, why don't we see how this year plays out first?

Exactly! I really think we ought to give some benefit of doubt to a guy like Gibbs. He has earned the right to be trusted for now. We have probably had the best on paper offseasons just about every year in the last decade and it never worked out. For once we don't have a great off season on paper(according to many 'critics' and fans) and everyone is going nuts. What could possibily be worse than what we've done in the past? Give them a chance before we skewer them please!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Last year's personnel moves outside of Brunell were very solid and borderline exceptional with guys like Griffin and Springs, two moves that critics had a field day with. The jury is out on this year simply because we haven't seen these guys play yet.

Instead of jumping to the "we need a GM" take anytime something happens you don't agree with, why don't we see how this year plays out first?

Preach on brother Matty! You'd think we were the only team to ever allow our players to seek trades. It happens all the time around the league

[Davnpurt]

Sometimes members on this site get into a doomsday mentality where mass hysteria (albeit minimal) takes over. Every move in the '04 off-season that was applauded by the media i.e. Brunnell and Barow has YET to pay off. Conversely, the two moves Gibbs and co. were criticized for; signing Springs who had durability issues and Cornelius who had motivational issues paid off far more than anyone could have guessed. To our chagrin Barrow has not been able to repeat his performance from his days as a Giant. But we shouldn't laude the FO for this. Free agency is a crap shoot, if it was a sure thing then we'd reap more rewards from our off season spending. The media, like Len Pasquerelli, sometimes dictates the discourse (and displeasure) of the Redskins motives to its fans. Rather than bemoaning a poor decision we often lose sight that we have an owner who is willing to pay to make his team audibly better rather than staying pat. I guess what I'm trying to say is that rather than being a pessimist let's have a "wait and see" approach before we start criticizing the FO.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Last year's personnel moves outside of Brunell were very solid and borderline exceptional with guys like Griffin and Springs, two moves that critics had a field day with. The jury is out on this year simply because we haven't seen these guys play yet.

Instead of jumping to the "we need a GM" take anytime something happens you don't agree with, why don't we see how this year plays out first?

I agree Matty. Lets not forget about Marcus Washington, and Walt Harris. Both solid pickups as well.