Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

^well you know they are gonna have another hard time again with the cap penalty and will have their hands tied in Free agency with alot of decisions to make on the team in regards to who to extend vs who not to extend. Whats is encouraging is the fact of there is only ONE bloated contract at this point. Thats an amazing fact vs the 2005-2007 teams you mentioned. This team is much more structurely sound than those teams as well in terms of talent, but especially depth.

Its gonna be an interesting offseason when it comes down to players such as Logan Pauleson, Rob Jackson, Fred Davis, D Hall

Yeah, the contracts thing is something that improved right away.

This is the offseason that will determine the success or failure of the Shanaplan (of course, if not for last offseason, he wouldn't have made it to this point). Lots of talent on this roster is available for free agency, and that doesn't even include Orakpo, who is heading into the last year of his contract.

I'm aware the Redskins have the cap penalty, but when you see them go and spend $3 million on Cedric Griffin et al, you kind of understand that the penalty isn't preventing them from getting the players they wanted. No one was going to spend more than $1 million on CedGriff. They still got Garcon, Morgan, and matched the Chargers offer on Royal.

There will be plenty of money to spend this offseason, and they can always backload guaranteed money into 2014 to ensure someone they covet signs here. They won't be limited at all by the cap penalty.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah, the contracts thing is something that improved right away.

This is the offseason that will determine the success or failure of the Shanaplan (of course, if not for last offseason, he wouldn't have made it to this point). Lots of talent on this roster is available for free agency, and that doesn't even include Orakpo, who is heading into the last year of his contract.

I'm aware the Redskins have the cap penalty, but when you see them go and spend $3 million on Cedric Griffin et al, you kind of understand that the penalty isn't preventing them from getting the players they wanted. No one was going to spend more than $1 million on CedGriff. They still got Garcon, Morgan, and matched the Chargers offer on Royal.

There will be plenty of money to spend this offseason, and they can always backload guaranteed money into 2014 to ensure someone they covet signs here. They won't be limited at all by the cap penalty.

Im not so sure, you think serious FA like Andre Smith, Jarius Byrd would be ok with waiting an additional year to get their money? I think that might work for guys already on the team who look to resign, but guys coming into the team...not sure.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Im not so sure, you think serious FA like Andre Smith, Jarius Byrd would be ok with waiting an additional year to get their money? I think that might work for guys already on the team who look to resign, but guys coming into the team...not sure.

Well, I mean, they would still be getting a bulk of their money in year one, just that the total amount of guaranteed money would include 2014 base salary. It's still about who offers the most guaranteed money.

[FRPLG]

One thing that is important to remember is that no team has one giant master "plan". There's too much that organizations cannot control. What we're really talking about is the philosophy and approach. Each off-season you devise a plan for player acquisition (among other things like how you conduct scouting and so forth) that fits your philosophy and approach...then once the season rolls around you have a different plan for how you're going to get the product onto the field in a way that reflects your philosophy. Anyone can quibble with the various parts of those plans and how they fit, or don't fit, a sound philosophy. To me it really comes down to: are we aimed at doing things that will give us the best shot to build a solid organization that can win year after year? If so, are the steps we're taking aligned with that strategy. I would say unequivocally we're aimed at that and our basic approach seems sound. Certainly many decisions made have worked while some have not. But to me there are not a lot of decisions that have been made that weren't made in good faith towards building a good organization.

Again, there is doing things the right way and doing the right things, They're not the same.

In the past our strategy was for crap...we're close so make a few big moves to win now. On top of that the decisions made to match that strategy we're bad.

I can't see how ANYTHING about our basic current philosophy that is all that debatable. Particular moves though are another thing.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

One thing that is important to remember is that no team has one giant master "plan". There's too much that organizations cannot control. What we're really talking about is the philosophy and approach. Each off-season you devise a plan for player acquisition (among other things like how you conduct scouting and so forth) that fits your philosophy and approach...then once the season rolls around you have a different plan for how you're going to get the product onto the field in a way that reflects your philosophy. Anyone can quibble with the various parts of those plans and how they fit, or don't fit, a sound philosophy. To me it really comes down to: are we aimed at doing things that will give us the best shot to build a solid organization that can win year after year? If so, are the steps we're taking aligned with that strategy. I would say unequivocally we're aimed at that and our basic approach seems sound. Certainly many decisions made have worked while some have not. But to me there are not a lot of decisions that have been made that weren't made in good faith towards building a good organization.

Again, there is doing things the right way and doing the right things, They're not the same.

In the past our strategy was for crap...we're close so make a few big moves to win now. On top of that the decisions made to match that strategy we're bad.

I can't see how ANYTHING about our basic current philosophy that is all that debatable. Particular moves though are another thing.

Well said.

The heart of the matter is that since MS/BA arrived, we have been doing things, as you say, "the right way". Further, to me, of the things that have been done "the right way", significantly more have also been the right decisions as opposed to the wrong decisions. For me, therein lies the faith in the the "Shanaplan".

[GoSkins!]

Joe Redskins, your post addressing GTRIPP seems too long to quote now, but I want to commend your articulation of your position.


I agree with your assertions. We are on the right track. I think we rolled the dice on RGIII this year and hit! Winning and an elite QB have all kinds of intangible benefits too... like receivers wanting to sign to catch from him, other backs that might want to take advantage of the read option run system, and defenders that think they can help get us over the hump.

Happy days!

[FRPLG]

I think it will be very interesting to see what we do this off-season...we have some decisions to make regarding current players, as noted, and we'll be coming off a very solid rebuilding year but with some obvious work to be done. The inclination to push all the chips in will be strong but I don't think it'd be the right move. Big off-season coming up in my opinion. It's one reason I'd mainly wait to do an extension with Shanny.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think it will be very interesting to see what we do this off-season...we have some decisions to make regarding current players, as noted, and we'll be coming off a very solid rebuilding year but with some obvious work to be done. The inclination to push all the chips in will be strong but I don't think it'd be the right move. Big off-season coming up in my opinion. It's one reason I'd mainly wait to do an extension with Shanny.

it will be.

very, very exciting times.
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not counting on getting any cap penalty money back. our last 2 drafts have been rock solid, i expect that to continue. tons of talent on the fa market, too, sizzling

[JoeRedskin]

When have I ever submitted a post that was too long to quote? It is to laugh.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

When have I never submitted a post that was too long to quote?

There, all fixed.

You're welcome!

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

There, all fixed.

You're welcome!

Thank you - The irony of your fix is strangely satisfying.

[los panda]

when he is up on ze tail
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you can quote him!