Lost Some Faith In Shanahan

[MTK]

I would have taken him out too but now that we've had some time to reflect I think the criticism Shanahan is taking is a little unwarranted.

We don't know all the facts as far as what was going on down on the sidelines or what info he had, or didn't have.

RG3 isn't the first guy in sports history to play hurt. Plenty of guys have been lauded for their courage for playing hurt or sick. And I expect if he somehow pulled that game out he'd be a hero for it. Since we lost it's easier to label it as a bad decision.

It's funny all week anytime I've heard an ex-player talk about it, most have supported the decision to keep him in the game, while those in the media that aren't ex-players are saying it was a bad move.

[NC_Skins]

Why isn't anybody blaming the medical staff as well here? (besides me apparently) They ultimately have the say so on whether or not a player plays. The fact that Shanahan said the doctors didn't examine him after that roll out play is disturbing.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Why isn't anybody blaming the medical staff as well here? (besides me apparently) They ultimately have the say so on whether or not a player plays. The fact that Shanahan said the doctors didn't examine him after that roll out play is disturbing.

There's plenty of blame to go around. Coaches, doctors, RG3 himself.

People want this to be black & white and it's clearly not.

And frankly the witch hunt/blame game doesn't solve anything.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There's plenty of blame to go around. Coaches, doctors, RG3 himself.

People want this to be black & white and it's clearly not.

And frankly the witch hunt/blame game doesn't solve anything.

might as well add will montgomery's name to the blame game

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There's plenty of blame to go around. Coaches, doctors, RG3 himself.

People want this to be black & white and it's clearly not.

And frankly the witch hunt/blame game doesn't solve anything.

Amen! I don't know what is accomplished by the need to crucify anybody. It doesn't heal Griffin's knee any faster. Things could be much worse.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There's plenty of blame to go around. Coaches, doctors, RG3 himself.

People want this to be black & white and it's clearly not.

And frankly the witch hunt/blame game doesn't solve anything.

Bingo.

I'll be curious to see how many people in this forum got on Cutler's case when he was taken out of a game last year b/c he was hurt. I can't remember exactly, but I think it may have been a playoffs game or something late in the season.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Bingo.

I'll be curious to see how many people in this forum got on Cutler's case when he was taken out of a game last year b/c he was hurt. I can't remember exactly, but I think it may have been a playoffs game or something late in the season.

Yeah forgot about that one, Cutler got ripped a new one for not toughing out his knee injury.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Bingo.

I'll be curious to see how many people in this forum got on Cutler's case when he was taken out of a game last year b/c he was hurt. I can't remember exactly, but I think it may have been a playoffs game or something late in the season.

It was the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP.

Can anyone here picture RG riding a bike on the sidelines in any game, let alone the NFC Championship??

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Bingo.

I'll be curious to see how many people in this forum got on Cutler's case when he was taken out of a game last year b/c he was hurt. I can't remember exactly, but I think it may have been a playoffs game or something late in the season.

By the same token, how many people would be slamming Shanahan if he had benched Griffin, and Cousins had lost us the game. RGIII would be whining about being benched, saying he wanted to stay in the game to win it for the team, but he had to do what coach said. Then Shanahan's getting slammed for creating a quarterback controversy.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Bingo.

I'll be curious to see how many people in this forum got on Cutler's case when he was taken out of a game last year b/c he was hurt. I can't remember exactly, but I think it may have been a playoffs game or something late in the season.

I was not one of them. I also didn't blame Leslie Frazier for their loss Saturday when he pulled Ponder prior to the game. Injuries happen. There is absolutely no shame in pulling a player due to it. Now, if the guy is playing effectively while hurt, that's one thing. If he's not, it's entirely a different matter.

I have to say that guys like Mark Schlereth piss me off when it comes to players playing with injuries. He was one of those clowns ripping Jay Cutler, and one of those guys saying play RGIII. That's easy for him to say, he has no investment in it. He doesn't have to worry about the next season. I doubt he played with very serious injuries, or any that caused him to be about 40% effective. I guess Mark thinks they should go out there after suffering concussions as well. Hey, that's what a tough guy like Mark would do!

The days of machismo should be over. Sure you play with pain, sure you might even play injured, but there are times where it's simply smarter (for the long and short run) to sit out.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Why isn't anybody blaming the medical staff as well here? (besides me apparently) They ultimately have the say so on whether or not a player plays. The fact that Shanahan said the doctors didn't examine him after that roll out play is disturbing.

Believe I said in another thread that Dr. Andrews' only reason for being on the payroll is to look after the health/safety of the players so he has to be more aggressive

[CrustyRedskin]

I blame Seattle. bastards of the NFL.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There's plenty of blame to go around. Coaches, doctors, RG3 himself.

People want this to be black & white and it's clearly not.

And frankly the witch hunt/blame game doesn't solve anything.

I agree totally. I think all the parties are to blame. Just because we are assigning who's more responsible for the failure doesn't mean we want them crucified. I don't want Shanahan fired. I don't want Dr. Andrews fired. I do however want them to do their jobs, and there was a huge failure at somebody doing their job here. I'm more inclined to say the medical staff since they have the final say so.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Believe I said in another thread that Dr. Andrews' only reason for being on the payroll is to look after the health/safety of the players so he has to be more aggressive

True. I was kind of surprised you thought Shanny was covering for the medical staff, and I'm still shocked how they let much of this go the way they do. (RGIII circling sideline without checking him out/not checking him out after re-injuring knee in 1st quarter)

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's funny all week anytime I've heard an ex-player talk about it, most have supported the decision to keep him in the game, while those in the media that aren't ex-players are saying it was a bad move.

You mean the same type of ex-player who sues the NFL because they didn't protect them from themselves? Those ex-players? Listen, I understand the player mentality. You have to be drug off the field kicking and screaming. It's in their nature, and it's the competitive drive within them. However, I do find it very ironic that they have no issues with allowing a player to play injured, yet want to sue the same people (most likely knew lasting results of concussions) that allowed them to play injured.

A players stance in this really doesn't hold much weight when you look at it objectively.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You mean the same type of ex-player who sues the NFL because they didn't protect them from themselves? Those ex-players? Listen, I understand the player mentality. You have to be drug off the field kicking and screaming. It's in their nature, and it's the competitive drive within them. However, I do find it very ironic that they have no issues with allowing a player to play injured, yet want to sue the same people (most likely knew lasting results of concussions) that allowed them to play injured.

A players stance in this really doesn't hold much weight when you look at it objectively.

I'm not keeping track but I don't think you can say all ex-players are suing the league. So you can't just discount all of their opinions. The point I'm getting at is this... it points to the fact there are clearly two sides to this debate and both sides have merit in their opinions.

People blasted the Nats for holding Strasburg out, now we're killing the Redskins for leaving RG3 in. Again, I think both sides have a point and there's no easy answer.