Should Brunell be replaced? (merged)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

That wasen't really the point, the point is Ramsey wasen't given a serious opportunity to prove he couldn't do it, and others demand proof that he could, what else can you really go off to prove that point except play between the 2 QB's in the same game.

I know. You and your Ramsey Crips will probably eternally battle me any my Brunell Bloods over whether Ramsey's progress (or perhaps lack thereof) from the end of last season to the beginning of this season should be a factor. There are those of us that maintain that the offseason (minicamp, training camp, even preseason) counts and if you can't show that you're the clear cut better option during that time then it has to be addressed. And there are those that maintain that it's not fair to judge Ramsey unless he's given an extended number of games during the regular season when it actually counts. And didn't Ramsey have two turnovers in that first quarter against the Bears, compared to none the next three for Brunell?

Anyhow, the world keeps on spinning.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I know. You and your Ramsey Crips will probably eternally battle me any my Brunell Bloods over whether Ramsey's progress (or perhaps lack thereof) from the end of last season to the beginning of this season should be a factor. There are those of us that maintain that the offseason (minicamp, training camp, even preseason) counts and if you can't show that you're the clear cut better option during that time then it has to be addressed. And there are those that maintain that it's not fair to judge Ramsey unless he's given an extended number of games during the regular season when it actually counts. And didn't Ramsey have two turnovers in that first quarter against the Bears, compared to none the next three for Brunell?

Anyhow, the world keeps on spinning.

Yes, and apparently according to Ramsey the reciever made the wrong read, Gibbs used the TO argument to replace Ramsey and one of the reasons Ramsey wanted out, we didn't hear Gibbs come out and back up Ramsey on that INT like he tried to do for Brunell last week, and I think we all can agree that the fumble was a cheap shot and should have been called.

The TO argument doesn't work for me when comparing the 2 QB's, Brunell turns the ball over as much or more than Ramsey, and his TO have been more devastating to the outcome of games, he's allowed the defense to score which Ramsey has not, Brunell is supposed to be a well seasoned veteran and should not be turning the ball over like he does, that was supposed to be a big reason why Gibbs likes veterans, well if he's going to turn it over like a youngster than what's the point, give the kid a try to see if he progresses, I just don't understand the stance that Ramsey would not have progressed and gotten better with more playing time? Matty stated that it really wasen't fair to compare what Ramsey did last season comparitivly because Gibbs had gotten things on track by the time Ramsey stepped in, are we sure it wasen't Ramsey who put things on track? Thats a big coincidence, that same argument can be used this season for Ramsey, is it fair to say that Ramsey would have become even better than Brunell this season as the offensive players around him progressed as well?

Don't get me wrong I don't want to see Ramsey replace Brunell at this point in the season, this is Brunells baby let him finish it, I just think at the end of this season there will be no playoffs, and a lot of unanswered questions at QB, one of which will be what to do with an ageing QB? Do we play Campbell on a team that by year 3 is ready to take the next step? Do we go back to Brunell another year older who has proven nothing in 2 seasons? Or do we go with Ramsey who probably could care less what's promised him in the offseason, and can't get out of town fast enough?

I think we have a big problem against the Boy's come sunday.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by offiss

That wasen't really the point, the point is Ramsey wasen't given a serious opportunity to prove he couldn't do it, and others demand proof that he could, what else can you really go off to prove that point except play between the 2 QB's in the same game.

Nine games last season with 10 TDs to 11 INTs isn't exactly screaming "I can get the job done."

I like Ramsey. The kid's got heart, tough as nails, and he's probably going to be a solid #2 (ha...I said "solid #2") QB somewhere in this league. The fact of the matter is he's had 4 seasons, 2 coaches, 2 systems and more than enough opportunities to show he's not cut out to lead the team.

Clearly Gibbs isn't comfortable with Ramsey at #1 - do people honestly think that this has nothing to do with Gibbs' coaching ability and knowledge of the situation? Or do you really believe Gibbs is just unfair, vindictive and playing favorites with his good boy Brunell and it's all a conspiracy?

Come on folks, grow up.

[illdefined]

i was calling for Brunell's head at the beginning of the season, but the thought of benching him healthy is utterly absurd at this point, why are people STILL talking about it? if he's hurt, bench him, we all know what an *injured* Brunell is capable of..2004.

it's not Brunell's arm that's got us here, we all know Ramsey has a much higher caliber gun, it's Brunell's LEGS.

Brunell getting out of trouble is what has made this year possible, i think thats clear (and would explain why a leg injury made him suck so hard last year). the age of the gun armed pocket passer is dying in this league (unless you have a horseshoe on your helmet), our division especially and i think Gibbs sees that. hence the Jason Campbell pick.

Bless Ramsey, his arm, and his toughness, dude's fearless - but he's a piss poor improviser, and when that speed rusher inevitably gets loose - the play breaks down and it's INT city. he may not throw the laser, but Brunell squirms away and keeps a level head as that NFC East heat comes.

i thought with Jansen back and Rabach our O-Line would support a steady pocket passer but that just hasn't been the case. rushers always get through and 210lb Portis has had to come up and be a key pass blocker for this offense. i dont know if its our OLine or that it's just a different NFL, but it's all about the blitz and Brunell has been elusive and coherent enough to thrive on that.

regardless, it's just not Ramsey's team this season - and we're way way too far in it to be changing up such a big piece of the formula. only if we have to, and looks like we don't - (except maybe getting Sellers in instead of Royal )

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I agree with the majority that Brunell should not be replaced now. But, I don't think it is absolutely crazy to broach the topic. As the WP pointed out, Brunell has had 4 TDs to 6 INTs in the last 7 games. Plus, our passing game has really faltered lately.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Let's quit name-calling.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Let's quit name-calling.

What name-calling? Go back and reread my post, you're mistaken.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

What name-calling? Go back and reread my post, you're mistaken.

I know you didn't call anyone out by name, I was simply referring to the "only amatuers" part of the post. Nothing serious, I should've phased my post better. I was just trying to prevent f-bombs and like from being thrown out.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I know you didn't call anyone out by name, I was simply referring to the "only amatuers" part of the post. Nothing serious, I should've phased my post better. I was just trying to prevent f-bombs and like from being thrown out.

Oh okay, I was wondering. No need to worry about the f-bombs from me.....I never use that type of language.

[BigSKINBauer]

I'll try to cut back on the f-bombs but you put in these nice **** things

[Hog1]

DAMN right!!!! Lets replace that worthless bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW Can this F...... absurdity be put to bed FINALLY ?????????????

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by Hog1

DAMN right!!!! Lets replace that worthless bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW Can this F...... absurdity be put to bed FINALLY ?????????????

yeah he's a bum, get rid of him already.

[hail_2_da_skins]

This was by far the dumbest thread of all. I hope after the Cowgirl thrashing we can put to bed the Brunnel bashing. The guy is what he is. He controls the offense and gets the job done. It's not flashy but its winning football.

[skinsguy]

Just goes to show you, you can't judge a quarterback's greatness only on the strength of his arm. There is so much more to a quarterback who is not only good, but one that is a true leader. Mark Brunell is a good quarterback AND a true leader. That is why he is starting. He's not the best quarterback in the league, but he's getting the job done for us.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Just goes to show you, you can't judge a quarterback's greatness only on the strength of his arm. There is so much more to a quarterback who is not only good, but one that is a true leader. Mark Brunell is a good quarterback AND a true leader. That is why he is starting. He's not the best quarterback in the league, but he's getting the job done for us.

jeff george anybody? lol