"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

[warriorzpath]

The thing that worries me is little details like this quote-

"The first play of the game, one thing I was impressed by was his speed," Campbell said. "I didn't know he was that fast. When I let it go, I thought it was going to hit him in stride. Actually, I wish I could've thrown it maybe a yard, two yards deeper. . . . Now, you get a feel for a guy."

Okay, after OTAs, Training Camp, and 2 weeks into preseason practices- NOW you've got a feel for a guy? I know he's been injured somewhat, but sheesh - how slow can you be in getting a "feel" for a guy?

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

The thing that worries me is little details like this quote-

"The first play of the game, one thing I was impressed by was his speed," Campbell said. "I didn't know he was that fast. When I let it go, I thought it was going to hit him in stride. Actually, I wish I could've thrown it maybe a yard, two yards deeper. . . . Now, you get a feel for a guy."

Okay, after OTAs, Training Camp, and 2 weeks into preseason practices- NOW you've got a feel for a guy? I know he's been injured somewhat, but sheesh - how slow can you be in getting a "feel" for a guy?

Come on, this is one of about 10 deep passes he's thrown in over 5 seasons.

Seriously though, Kelly really just started playing a couple of weeks ago. I'd bet that Kelly initially favored his knees & ran slower, and now is getting back to full speed. He probably ran a lot quicker during game-time. (we should have measured his 40 during the game -- they always said he was quicker on film). The timing will come.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Come on, this is one of about 10 deep passes he's thrown in over 5 seasons.

Seriously though, Kelly really just started playing a couple of weeks ago. I'd bet that Kelly initially favored his knees & ran slower, and now is getting back to full speed. He probably ran a lot quicker during game-time. (we should have measured his 40 during the game -- they always said he was quicker on film). The timing will come.

I hope so. I hate to be negative, but I have been giving him the benefit of the doubt for a couple of seasons now- I'm not doing it anymore.

[warriorzpath]

The problem with Campbell is - he is too conservative with his decision-making and even with those conservative plays, he fails to execute well. At this point in time (and I believe he's had enough time), he is not a starting qb let alone a franchise qb. He just fails to keep drives alive on a consistent basis because he plays too scared and is not efficient enough to hit the "safe" throws consistently.

I don't understand how he's gotten to this point of the way he plays - having an excuse ready when he makes a mistake, but he just needs to stop making excuses, own up to his mistakes and just make plays. It's just so frustrating to watch - season after season of campbell trying to learn to be a quarterback in a live game.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

The problem with Campbell is - he is too conservative with his decision-making and even with those conservative plays, he fails to execute well. At this point in time (and I believe he's had enough time), he is not a starting qb let alone a franchise qb. He just fails to keep drives alive on a consistent basis because he plays too scared and is not efficient enough to hit the "safe" throws consistently.

I don't understand how he's gotten to this point of the way he plays - having an excuse ready when he makes a mistake, but he just needs to stop making excuses, own up to his mistakes and just make plays. It's just so frustrating to watch - season after season of campbell trying to learn to be a quarterback in a live game.

Maybe I missed it. When has Campbell ever made an excuse for anything? He handles his buisness like a man. Never once complaining. I agree its put up or shut up time but he isn't a cry baby, and he surely isn't one to make excuses for his play.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

Maybe I missed it. When has Campbell ever made an excuse for anything. He handles his buisness like a man. Never once complaining. I agree its put up or shut up time but he isn't a cry baby, and he surely isn't one to make excuses for his play.

There's a difference between complaining and making excuses. The tired excuse from year to year is he is still learning and he just needs to just make adjustments next week.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

There's a difference between complaining and making excuses. The tired excuse from year to year is he is still learning and he just needs to just make adjustments next week.

I have never heard him say that as an excuse. Maybe as an answer to a reporters question but not just throwing it out there as an excuse for poor play. I know theer is a difference between the two. Campbell might not be a franchise QB or even a decent staring option, but one thing he doesn't do is make excuses. The fans( myself included) are the ones making excuses for him. IMO JC is a class act who does, says all the right things( aside from the play on the field) that teams want in a franchise QB. Thats why I think the fans want him to succeed so bad.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

I have never heard him say that as an excuse. Maybe as an answer to a reporters question but not just throwing it out there as an excuse for poor play. I know theer is a difference between the two. Campbell might not be a franchise QB or even a decent staring option, but one thing he doesn't do is make excuses. The fans( myself included) are the ones making excuses for him. IMO JC is a class act who does, says all the right things( aside from the play on the field) that teams want in a franchise QB. Thats why I think the fans want him to succeed so bad.

I like Jason Campbell too and I want to see him succeed more than anything, but there comes a time when you just need to perform. And the time is now (even though I really think the time to perform should be a player's opportunity to play in his first game).

If that means that there is a better qb to replace him (even on the current roster) then replace him. He just isn't consistent enough IMO to get this team to the next level (even as a defensive team).

[warriorzpath]

... and best case scenario for me is that he makes me a liar from all the negative things I've said about him.

[NYCskinfan82]

Jason Campbell is the TRUTH.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Jason Campbell is the TRUTH.

Yeah, but what's the truth about him?

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Jason Campbell is the TRUTH.

Haha do I know you man? I use to say that about 5 times a day with my roomies about JC, and they always called me the "truth".

[Ruhskins]

While I am a bit disappointed with JC's play, my expectations of him are to be good enough to compliment our strong defense. It would be nice if he becomes a slinger that throws for a ton of yards and touchdown, the reality is that we need Campbell to be just a bit better than last year in order to win enough games to get us to the playoffs. We have a strong (possibly elite) defense, and a good running game, we just need the passing game to compliment that. Right now he is the best choice we have at QB, and he should be kept in the game until we are eliminated from the playoffs. If he does falter this year, then we will need to blow up the offense and start from scratch for 2010.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

While I am a bit disappointed with JC's play, my expectations of him are to be good enough to compliment our strong defense. It would be nice if he becomes a slinger that throws for a ton of yards and touchdown, the reality is that we need Campbell to be just a bit better than last year in order to win enough games to get us to the playoffs. We have a strong (possibly elite) defense, and a good running game, we just need the passing game to compliment that. Right now he is the best choice we have at QB, and he should be kept in the game until we are eliminated from the playoffs. If he does falter this year, then we will need to blow up the offense and start from scratch for 2010.

yeah i agree with this. JC, Zorn and the recievers need to show alil something to keep teams from stacking 8 in the box and nullifying portis and the running game. if this is a copy cat league, i think teams will stack the box until JC and the skins show they can make them pay.

in his 2nd yr with zorn all JC has to do is show alil quicker decision making and accuracy and we are in a good spot. not alot, just alil bit of improvement from last year. is that too much to ask?

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

yeah i agree with this. JC, Zorn and the recievers need to show alil something to keep teams from stacking 8 in the box and nullifying portis and the running game. if this is a copy cat league, i think teams will stack the box until JC and the skins show they can make them pay.

in his 2nd yr with zorn all JC has to do is show alil quicker decision making and accuracy and we are in a good spot. not alot, just alil bit of improvement from last year. is that too much to ask?

Yeah, JC's best known skill is to throw it deep. He still doesn't seem to have the accuracy with the short to midrange stuff. If I were the opposing defensive coach, this would be a no-brainer. Stack the box, have the d-ends pass-rush all day (to take away campbell's best skill: the long ball). And the combination of the de's in the backfield and stacking the box would nullify the run game. All that is left is the mid to short range stuff which would be JC's weakness. If the redskins offense beats you, then that would mean JC had a very good day at his known weakness.