PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back

SmootSmack · 10-22-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

SS, is there a time frame on this? Is it something that would wait to the end of the season? Even if it does happen, what effect if any would it have on this season?

No idea on a time frame. Doubt anything happens before January

SmootSmack · 10-22-2009, 10:26 PM

SportsCurmudgeon is the guy with the info, he broke this

Dirtbag59 · 10-22-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

He's got plenty of connections. More importantly he knows people that have connections. Basically, if you have connections inside one organization you have connections with others within the NFL as well.

Either way, the more I hear the more it seems this could really happen but it's not going to be like Parcells necessarily. Gibbs would be like Magic Johnson with the Lakers, have a big time title and be the owner's consigliere if you will. But he would bring in the GM and let that GM run things

I'd go for that.

sportscurmudgeon · 10-22-2009, 10:56 PM

SmootSmack - - et. al:

Here is what I KNOW at the moment:

1. The "sticking point" that disappeared is somehow related to Gibbs' demands relative to the time he wopuld have to spend with his family - - particularly his grandchild who is suffering from leukemia. I do NOT know any details. All I know is that Joe Gibbs is at a place in his life where he is NOT going to work 100 hours a week at any job - - as he did as coach of the Redskins - - because it conflicts with family "stuff" that is more important to him now than football is important to him.

2. From the Skins' side of the table, they want this to happen yesterday; meanwhile, Gibbs is not highly motivated to step into the middle of a season that is circling the drain because he knows that he will be viewed by the media and the fans as a "savior" and he knows that saving the 2009 season is a long, long shot at best.

Here is what I SURMISE/SUSPECT:

1. There is BIG TIME money attached to this employment offer. There is so much money attached that anyone would be a fool to kick it to the curb without giving it careful consideration.

2. Danny Boy is getting close to "desperate". He sees/hears/reads about fan disaffection and it is starting to get through to him that the majority of folks think now that HE is the bad guy in all of this. The "buffer-zone" of yes-men and ass-kissers around him can no longer keep out the reality of the dislike that exists for him outside the organization. Even a couple of the "iconic true-blue Redskins" of previous years have started to distance themselves from him. I have another "source" who tells me that ONE of the Redskins' heroes of the 80s will not return Danny Boy's calls anymore. Obviously, I don't KNOW if that is true, but just think about that possibility for a moment. And think of what that means to Danny Boy in terms of his image and stature in the public eye and in the league if that "iconic true-Redskin" ever went public with bad info on Danny Boy...

3. I SUSPECT that Gibbs - - having lived through the Redskins' managment structure of the last couple of years and found it wanting - - will DEMAND in writing certain changes about how things get done and who makes the decisions about what needs to get done. My GUESS is that this is a "sticking point".

Finally, Doug Williams may be a great GM-in waiting - - or he could be the African-American version of Matt Millen. I have no idea where he falls on that spectrum. But if the Skins elevate him to that post, he damned well better be VERY good...

mcarey032 · 10-22-2009, 11:01 PM

If he were to get the job, I hope that they get rid of Cerrato. I do not want to hear that any personnel decisions were "a Redskins decision". He would probably do well, but who knows? I thought we would have done better when he was coaching than just being the 6th seed every other year.

Kalisto2010 · 10-22-2009, 11:58 PM

Say what you want about Gibbs. It was he who decided to draft Sean Taylor when the entire world was telling him to draft Winslow. The only questionable pick was Jason Campbell. Also, he did a great job drafting Cooley in the second round too. I'm sure these points have been raised already. But I didn't read all 11 pages, so excuse the redundancy.

Kalisto2010 · 10-23-2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Angry

I know, I wasn't thrilled with his talent evaluating either. His love for small recievers kills me too. If it is true I hope that he can get past the "Smurfs" among other things.

His only bad small picks were Desmond Howard and Randel El. Gary Clark, Charlie Brown, Ricky Sanders, and Santana Moss were brilliant acquisitions - wouldn't you agree?

SmootSmack · 10-23-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

SmootSmack - - et. al:

Here is what I KNOW at the moment:

1. The "sticking point" that disappeared is somehow related to Gibbs' demands relative to the time he wopuld have to spend with his family - - particularly his grandchild who is suffering from leukemia. I do NOT know any details. All I know is that Joe Gibbs is at a place in his life where he is NOT going to work 100 hours a week at any job - - as he did as coach of the Redskins - - because it conflicts with family "stuff" that is more important to him now than football is important to him.

Heard basically the same thing, not that it disappeared but that family time is a crucial factor.

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2. From the Skins' side of the table, they want this to happen yesterday; meanwhile, Gibbs is not highly motivated to step into the middle of a season that is circling the drain because he knows that he will be viewed by the media and the fans as a "savior" and he knows that saving the 2009 season is a long, long shot at best.

Didn't realize it was that soon

Here is what I SURMISE/SUSPECT:

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1. There is BIG TIME money attached to this employment offer. There is so much money attached that anyone would be a fool to kick it to the curb without giving it careful consideration.

Part ownership as well I believe

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2. Danny Boy is getting close to "desperate". He sees/hears/reads about fan disaffection and it is starting to get through to him that the majority of folks think now that HE is the bad guy in all of this. The "buffer-zone" of yes-men and ass-kissers around him can no longer keep out the reality of the dislike that exists for him outside the organization. Even a couple of the "iconic true-blue Redskins" of previous years have started to distance themselves from him. I have another "source" who tells me that ONE of the Redskins' heroes of the 80s will not return Danny Boy's calls anymore. Obviously, I don't KNOW if that is true, but just think about that possibility for a moment. And think of what that means to Danny Boy in terms of his image and stature in the public eye and in the league if that "iconic true-Redskin" ever went public with bad info on Danny Boy...

Gotta assume it's Riggins

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Finally, Doug Williams may be a great GM-in waiting - - or he could be the African-American version of Matt Millen. I have no idea where he falls on that spectrum. But if the Skins elevate him to that post, he damned well better be VERY good...

Difference is Millen never worked his way through the front office. He was just handed the CEO role with Detroit with no prior experience

skinsguy · 10-23-2009, 12:21 PM

Isn't it just like the Redskins to build all this drama for the off-season again..LOL! I remember us back in the summer waiting impatiently for the season to start, and now almost halfway through, we're impatiently waiting for the off-season party to begin! Maybe Dan Snyder should open a new lottery website where people can place bets on who the mystery "savior" will be next year and the winner wins season tickets or something (not sure who would be coming out ahead in that!)

SmootSmack · 10-23-2009, 12:28 PM

Personally I don't believe Gibbs will come back. Maybe they'll make him a part-owner or something. But, I think at the end of the day Gibbs will realize (or someone will make him realize) that he's got too much on his plate and he's not the type to "half-ass" anything

skinsguy · 10-23-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Personally I don't believe Gibbs will come back. Maybe they'll make him a part-owner or something. But, I think at the end of the day Gibbs will realize (or someone will make him realize) that he's got too much on his plate and he's not the type to "half-ass" anything

One thing about Joe Gibbs is that he is not going to do just enough. If he doesn't think he can put his whole heart and effort into something, then he is not going to do it. I kind of have my doubts about it as well, although he does appear to have a kinship and passion for the Redskins. So, who knows? Maybe he comes in just long enough to hire a respectable GM and Coach and leaves again. Or maybe he comes in to just be a "public relations" type of guy.

At this point, I just want a change for the better.

KLHJ2 · 10-23-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

His only bad small picks were Desmond Howard and Randel El. Gary Clark, Charlie Brown, Ricky Sanders, and Santana Moss were brilliant acquisitions - wouldn't you agree?

You have to add all of his FA acquisitions too not just Moss. Davis Patten, Brandon Lloyd, and Antwan Randel El. I would throw Thrash in there as well, but he was an Undrafted FA by the Skins under Turner. But wait we did send a 5th round pick to the Eagles to get him back. That 5th round pick became DE Trent Cole. We got hosed on that deal.

FRPLG · 10-23-2009, 01:25 PM

If Gibbs can basically become President Emeritus and be given the opportunity to hire our next GM it HAS TO BE BETTER than DS hiring the guy. Despite his unending efforts deserving of praise and willingness to spend money DS just doesn't make good football decisions. At least he hasn't. Gibbs on the other hand, does. In fact his greatest strength actually might be identifying quality football people.

firstdown · 10-23-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Personally I don't believe Gibbs will come back. Maybe they'll make him a part-owner or something. But, I think at the end of the day Gibbs will realize (or someone will make him realize) that he's got too much on his plate and he's not the type to "half-ass" anything

Besides family what else is on his plate? Racing went on without him for 4 years and I'm pretty sure that all he does now days are PR type stuff.

RedskinRat · 10-23-2009, 01:55 PM

Gibbs loves the Redskins.

Snyder idolizes Gibbs.

Gibbs demands a Parcells type role with the Redskins.

5 years time we will be back at the top, but it will be long and painful but still not as painful as it is now.

Can we as fans wait that long or will Generation ADD demand instant wins?

Be good to see Gregg Williams come back as HC.

10-22-2009, 10:26 PM	#152
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back SportsCurmudgeon is the guy with the info, he broke this __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-22-2009, 10:56 PM	#154
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back SmootSmack - - et. al: Here is what I KNOW at the moment: 1. The "sticking point" that disappeared is somehow related to Gibbs' demands relative to the time he wopuld have to spend with his family - - particularly his grandchild who is suffering from leukemia. I do NOT know any details. All I know is that Joe Gibbs is at a place in his life where he is NOT going to work 100 hours a week at any job - - as he did as coach of the Redskins - - because it conflicts with family "stuff" that is more important to him now than football is important to him. 2. From the Skins' side of the table, they want this to happen yesterday; meanwhile, Gibbs is not highly motivated to step into the middle of a season that is circling the drain because he knows that he will be viewed by the media and the fans as a "savior" and he knows that saving the 2009 season is a long, long shot at best. Here is what I SURMISE/SUSPECT: 1. There is BIG TIME money attached to this employment offer. There is so much money attached that anyone would be a fool to kick it to the curb without giving it careful consideration. 2. Danny Boy is getting close to "desperate". He sees/hears/reads about fan disaffection and it is starting to get through to him that the majority of folks think now that HE is the bad guy in all of this. The "buffer-zone" of yes-men and ass-kissers around him can no longer keep out the reality of the dislike that exists for him outside the organization. Even a couple of the "iconic true-blue Redskins" of previous years have started to distance themselves from him. I have another "source" who tells me that ONE of the Redskins' heroes of the 80s will not return Danny Boy's calls anymore. Obviously, I don't KNOW if that is true, but just think about that possibility for a moment. And think of what that means to Danny Boy in terms of his image and stature in the public eye and in the league if that "iconic true-Redskin" ever went public with bad info on Danny Boy... 3. I SUSPECT that Gibbs - - having lived through the Redskins' managment structure of the last couple of years and found it wanting - - will DEMAND in writing certain changes about how things get done and who makes the decisions about what needs to get done. My GUESS is that this is a "sticking point". Finally, Doug Williams may be a great GM-in waiting - - or he could be the African-American version of Matt Millen. I have no idea where he falls on that spectrum. But if the Skins elevate him to that post, he damned well better be VERY good... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

10-22-2009, 11:01 PM	#155
mcarey032 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 215	Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back If he were to get the job, I hope that they get rid of Cerrato. I do not want to hear that any personnel decisions were "a Redskins decision". He would probably do well, but who knows? I thought we would have done better when he was coaching than just being the 6th seed every other year.

10-22-2009, 11:58 PM	#156
Kalisto2010 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SF, Bay Area Posts: 392	Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back Say what you want about Gibbs. It was he who decided to draft Sean Taylor when the entire world was telling him to draft Winslow. The only questionable pick was Jason Campbell. Also, he did a great job drafting Cooley in the second round too. I'm sure these points have been raised already. But I didn't read all 11 pages, so excuse the redundancy.

10-23-2009, 12:21 PM	#159
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back Isn't it just like the Redskins to build all this drama for the off-season again..LOL! I remember us back in the summer waiting impatiently for the season to start, and now almost halfway through, we're impatiently waiting for the off-season party to begin! Maybe Dan Snyder should open a new lottery website where people can place bets on who the mystery "savior" will be next year and the winner wins season tickets or something (not sure who would be coming out ahead in that!) __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

10-23-2009, 12:28 PM	#160
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back Personally I don't believe Gibbs will come back. Maybe they'll make him a part-owner or something. But, I think at the end of the day Gibbs will realize (or someone will make him realize) that he's got too much on his plate and he's not the type to "half-ass" anything __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-23-2009, 01:25 PM	#163
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back If Gibbs can basically become President Emeritus and be given the opportunity to hire our next GM it HAS TO BE BETTER than DS hiring the guy. Despite his unending efforts deserving of praise and willingness to spend money DS just doesn't make good football decisions. At least he hasn't. Gibbs on the other hand, does. In fact his greatest strength actually might be identifying quality football people.

10-23-2009, 01:55 PM	#165
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back Gibbs loves the Redskins. Snyder idolizes Gibbs. Gibbs demands a Parcells type role with the Redskins. 5 years time we will be back at the top, but it will be long and painful but still not as painful as it is now. Can we as fans wait that long or will Generation ADD demand instant wins? Be good to see Gregg Williams come back as HC.

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