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[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The Rams are going to take Bradford, so that leaves Clausen. Is he really worth the 4th overall pick in the draft? I don't think so. Bradford is clearly the more skilled passer. IMO we should try and make a deal w/ Cleveland and trade back.

i personally like claussen more than bradford. if shanny and allen think claussen is a good pick at 4, great. if they think okung or someone else is, great. if they think they must do whats needed to land bradford, great.

its really that simple imo.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There are plenty of ways to build up the offensive line beside spending the 4th overall pick on an offensive lineman

You've got to admit the argument of which position to draft has been as intriguing as it has been ongoing. It's a subject that has dominated fan message boards for months with both sides presenting formidable arguments both pro and con. It has certainly made for great discussion because a good case can be made for either side presented.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I essentially agree. Arguably, Sonny Jurgenson was the last "elite" QB that we had. Can't we change this? Instead of watching the Mannings and Rivers of the world beat us, how about if we had one of those guys on our team for once?

let's not forget that the colts (though under different leadership) were the ones to pick jeff george in the 1st round, number 1 overall even

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Damn for a moment I thought you were refering to JC.

Rabach can't handle the center/QB exchange...snaps it into the ground half the time.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

let's not forget that the colts (though under different leadership) were the ones to pick jeff george in the 1st round, number 1 overall even

I don't deny such debacles. But the point remains that if one assumes a dogmatic "Don't draft a QB high, it's too risky" attitude, it also means missing out on folks like Manning.

The situation is too complex for pat, dogmatic attitudes.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Grossman is terrible. End of discussion. He has to be the worst QB ever to QB a team to a Super Bowl. He's just awful. I honestly would've kept Collins. Even though he's old and slow w/ a noodle arm the guy seems to do well when called upon. Grossman can't handle the center exchage, can't read a defense and throws terrible INT's. He simply played his way out of Chicago. I hope nothing happens to JC.

Too sexy for you is he?

Grossman got a bum rap in Chicago, injuries and poor playcalling did him in. He's a better man and player now. Grossman will be just fine as a backup/spot starter/jevan snead mentor

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Too sexy for you is he?

Grossman got a bum rap in Chicago, injuries and poor playcalling did him in. He's a better man and player now. Grossman will be just fine as a backup/spot starter/jevan snead mentor

Yoda? Yoda, is that you?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The Rams are going to take Bradford, so that leaves Clausen. Is he really worth the 4th overall pick in the draft? I don't think so. Bradford is clearly the more skilled passer. IMO we should try and make a deal w/ Cleveland and trade back.

If the Skins don't have a trade scenario with the Rams and they pick Bradford, are you willing to risk seeing if Clausen (whom you say is a more skilled passer) will drop to the second round? I'm betting he won't.

and honestly from what I read and hear Bradford has the most accurate arm. Next in line is McCoy even though his arm strength is significantly weaker then Bradfords.

[SBXVII]

Clausen:

Strengths:
Good height and bulk --- Arm strength is more than adequate and can make all of the necessary throws --- Great throwing mechanics with a quick delivery --- Super accurate passer with terrific touch, timing and anticipation --- Very smart with an excellent football IQ --- Knows how to operate under center, recognize blitzes, read coverages and go through progressions --- Takes care of the ball --- Able to buy time in the pocket with his feet --- Can throw on the run --- Tough and will play through pain and injuries --- Is confident with a fiery field presence and ice water in his veins --- Hard worker --- Media savvy and has proven that he can handle the spotlight --- Experienced --- Superb bloodlines.

Weaknesses:
Borderline cocky and entitled with a personality that rubs some people the wrong way --- Not a great athlete --- Can be overly cautious and too quick to check down, throw the ball away or take a sack --- Has to windup to really zip the ball --- Floats the deep ball at times --- Might not have a ton of upside --- Is still maturing --- Durability is a concern.

EDIT: info from Draft Countdown.

[SBXVII]

Bradford:

Strengths:
Prototypical height with a frame that is still filling out --- Very intelligent with a good feel for the game --- Extremely accurate --- Outstanding touch, timing and anticipation --- Quick delivery --- Consistently throws a pretty spiral --- Decent athleticism --- Nice footwork and moves well within in the pocket --- Shows great ball handling ability --- Makes good decisions and takes care of the ball --- Tough and will stand tall against the rush --- Calm and composed --- Very competitive --- A team leader both on and off of the field --- Excellent work ethic --- Super productive.

Weaknesses:
Durability is a huge concern --- Just average arm strength --- Mechanics are not textbook and drops down to three-quarters at times --- Will have to adjust to working from under center --- Must learn to read defenses and go through progressions in a pro style offense --- Does not have a good feel for pressure --- Won't make a lot of plays with his feet --- Limited experience --- Stats were inflated by a spread system.

Per Draft Countdown.

[SBXVII]

Tebow:

Strengths:
Good height and outstanding bulk --- Terrific athleticism --- Excellent strength --- Arm is strong enough to make all the throws --- Can throw on the run --- Shows some elusiveness --- Can buy time in the pocket and make plays with his legs --- Powerful runner --- Extraordinarily competitive --- Tough as nails --- Fantastic work ethic --- Smart --- Has a ton of experience against top-notch competition --- Incredible leader.

Weaknesses:
Zero experience in a pro style offense --- A long delivery and serious mechanical issues with his throwing motion --- Has trouble throwing a tight spiral --- Not overly accurate --- Poor footwork --- Will have to adjust to taking snaps from under center --- Must learn how to read defenses and coverages --- Marginal vision --- Is too eager to run at times --- Minor durability concerns --- May have to learn a new position.

Per Draft Countdown.

[johno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Too sexy for you is he?

Grossman got a bum rap in Chicago, injuries and poor playcalling did him in. He's a better man and player now. Grossman will be just fine as a backup/spot starter/jevan snead mentor

haha i see whatcha did there.

[Monkeydad]

Why would Rex be mentoring a rookie QB who's likely already better than him?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Tebow:



Per Draft Countdown.

Mixed reviews on Tebow's throwing motion | ProFootballTalk.com

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

During, probably for a 2nd

More likely a 4th and future 3rd (or vice versa)