Pointing at the other bench (The Jets/Pats Saga)

[warpaint]

Brady will be 34 at the start of the season next year. He might want to hurry up.

[hooskins]

Glad people have mentioned it already, but the Pats are just as cocky as the Jets if not worst. From the Jet's perspective it is mainly Rex that is cocky and the truth is it is big show. Jets know the Pats are a great team and it is just Rex living it up in the spotlight. The Patriot's elitist mentality is rampant throughout the organization. I am sure none of the Pats thought it was remotely possible to lose the game.

[NC_Skins]

Anybody that thinks the Pats window is closing or if Tom Brady is on the decline is absolutely insane. Let's look more closely as to why the Patriots haven't done as good the past 3 years.




Defense. That is what wins you championships (special teams included). The 2001 was a stat anomaly to say the least. However, if you look at the Post season stats for the 2001 year, you'd see they were 2nd in points allowed for defense during that post season. It was a team that started clicking at the right time. The main staple of the BB teams has been it's relentless defense, with Tom Brady being the clutch guy that drove them down in the last minute to win the game or put them in a position to win. (ie..Field Goal)

To be quite honest, the 2005 and 2001 years they were fortunate to have been playing in a very craptastic division. Up until 3 years ago, the AFC East was a laughing stock, like our NFC West currently is.

Say what you want, but most of us Redskins fans would give our left nut to have records like they have over the past decade. (3 Super Bowls) Bad news is, they are going to get better. With 2 picks in each of the first three rounds in this years draft, the rich keep on getting richer.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Anybody that thinks the Pats window is closing or if Tom Brady is on the decline is absolutely insane. Let's look more closely as to why the Patriots haven't done as good the past 3 years.




Defense. That is what wins you championships (special teams included). The 2001 was a stat anomaly to say the least. However, if you look at the Post season stats for the 2001 year, you'd see they were 2nd in points allowed for defense during that post season. It was a team that started clicking at the right time. The main staple of the BB teams has been it's relentless defense, with Tom Brady being the clutch guy that drove them down in the last minute to win the game or put them in a position to win. (ie..Field Goal)

To be quite honest, the 2005 and 2001 years they were fortunate to have been playing in a very craptastic division. Up until 3 years ago, the AFC East was a laughing stock, like our NFC West currently is.

Say what you want, but most of us Redskins fans would give our left nut to have records like they have over the past decade. (3 Super Bowls) Bad news is, they are going to get better. With 2 picks in each of the first three rounds in this years draft, the rich keep on getting richer.

Huh? What?
in the playoffs a great defense and running game will take places, of course combined with adequate passing game. But as Jets Qb proved, it does not have to be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady great. Just adequate.
Which why we need to draft more O-lineman and defense. Draft a top Qb only if a great one falls in our lap. Unlikely.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Huh? What?
in the playoffs a great defense and running game will take places, of course combined with adequate passing game. But as Jets Qb proved, it does not have to be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady great. Just adequate.
Which why we need to draft more O-lineman and defense. Draft a top Qb only if a great one falls in our lap. Unlikely.

What was confusing about what I posted in regards to why the Patriots have fell off the past few years. (responding to other people's coments)


Also, you are 100% wrong in your assessment that you draft a top QB only if a great one falls in your lap. You are also wrong about defenses and "running game" will take places. I'm sorry, but it's the exact opposite. A defense and a great QB will take you places. This isn't the 80's-90's anymore where the league was centered around a strong running game and a stout defense. This is a QB driven league. Look no further than the list of Super Bowl MVPs over the past decade to see that you need either a dominate defense or a passing game to win.

Super Bowl 34 2000 QB - Kurt Warner Rams
Super Bowl 35 2001 LB - Ray Lewis Ravens
Super Bowl 36 2002 QB - Tom Brady Patriots
Super Bowl 37 2003 S - Dexter Jackson Buccaneers
Super Bowl 38 2004 QB - Tom Brady Patriots
Super Bowl 39 2005 WR - Deion Branch Patriots (Tom Brady QB)
Super Bowl 40 2006 WR - Hines Ward Steelers (ben roethlisberger QB)
Super Bowl 41 2007 QB - Peyton Manning Colts
Super Bowl 42 2008 QB - Eli Manning Giants
Super Bowl 43 2009 WR - Santonio Holmes Steelers (roethlisberger QB)
Super Bowl 44 2010 QB - Drew Brees Saints


How many RBs you see on that list? Not a single one. Yet you see multiple WRs and QBs on that list. The only 2 that are up there not a QB or WR are two positions that were on two of the most dominate defenses this past decade. (Tampa Bay/Baltimore)

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

What was confusing about what I posted in regards to why the Patriots have fell off the past few years. (responding to other people's coments)


Also, you are 100% wrong in your assessment that you draft a top QB only if a great one falls in your lap. You are also wrong about defenses and "running game" will take places. I'm sorry, but it's the exact opposite. A defense and a great QB will take you places. This isn't the 80's-90's anymore where the league was centered around a strong running game and a stout defense. This is a QB driven league. Look no further than the list of Super Bowl MVPs over the past decade to see that you need either a dominate defense or a passing game to win.

Super Bowl 34 2000 QB - Kurt Warner Rams
Super Bowl 35 2001 LB - Ray Lewis Ravens
Super Bowl 36 2002 QB - Tom Brady Patriots
Super Bowl 37 2003 S - Dexter Jackson Buccaneers
Super Bowl 38 2004 QB - Tom Brady Patriots
Super Bowl 39 2005 WR - Deion Branch Patriots (Tom Brady QB)
Super Bowl 40 2006 WR - Hines Ward Steelers (ben roethlisberger QB)
Super Bowl 41 2007 QB - Peyton Manning Colts
Super Bowl 42 2008 QB - Eli Manning Giants
Super Bowl 43 2009 WR - Santonio Holmes Steelers (roethlisberger QB)
Super Bowl 44 2010 QB - Drew Brees Saints


How many RBs you see on that list? Not a single one. Yet you see multiple WRs and QBs on that list. The only 2 that are up there not a QB or WR are two positions that were on two of the most dominate defenses this past decade. (Tampa Bay/Baltimore)

Super Bowl MVP amounts to a hill of beans IMO, league MVP yes is worth of some note. SB MVP I mean it is one game, anybody can have one great game, see Timmy Smith.

[44ever]

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;778648]Anybody that thinks the Pats window is closing or if Tom Brady is on the decline is absolutely insane. Let's look more closely as to why the Patriots haven't done as good the past 3 years.

I don't recall anyone saying the Pats window is closing or that Brady is on the decline. Altho his weakness has definitely been exposed. What is happening is that the Pats are not the only elite team in the NFL anymore. In fact according to your graph, they have been on a steady decline in Ranking since 2006


With so many elite teams competing at a level higher than NE, and taking Brady's age in account, odds are he may have seen his last SB.

Just as the front 4 of the Giants exposed Vick, The Jets have exposed Brady. Sure they are still a great team but, the same old thing just wont do anymore in todays NFL. And just for the record, I agree with mredskins, SB MVP doesn't really amount to much.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 44ever

And just for the record, I agree with mredskins, SB MVP doesn't really amount to much.

Who's claiming is does?