Redskins Draft Analysis Thread

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Is it to early to start my "Landry Jones" in 2012 chant?

We won't get Jones. Our "smarter" plan is to win no games this year so that we can choose Luck. :cheeky-sm

[freddyg12]

When sirclinton mentioned Hank's 4 years, I realized - we didn't draft any underclassmen did we?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

When sirclinton mentioned Hank's 4 years, I realized - we didn't draft any underclassmen did we?

More of a coincidence then anything else. Last years draft was loaded with underclassmen because players became very aware of the labor uncertainty for 2011 plus they knew there wouldn't be a rookie wage scale.

The underclassmen that would have been eligible for this years draft on the other hand saw terrible labor uncertainty and a rookie wage scale that had them saying "whats the rush." So in the end we had a class where most of the best players were seniors.

Bottom line the guys that returned to college know they'll be playing football this fall and won't have to worry about not having enough time to learn the system while adjusting to the speed of a new level. The 2011 class of rookies on the other hand has many players wondering when they're going to see a playbook and weather or not they'll learn it in time to convince their coaches that they deserve playing time. After all you only get one chance to make a first impression.

Also reminds me of someone saying the Chiefs were drafting mostly team captains when the fact of the matter is most drafted players are elected captain because they're one of the 3 or 4 best players on the team. In many cases actual leadership qualities are a bonus rather than a requirement.

[Dirtbag59]

One thing I noticed about Robinson's QB is that he had a terrible arm. You watch all the fades he runs and has to come back to balls to make plays. I think that might have been why he was considered fast but not a deep threat.

[GTripp0012]

It was kind of amazing though, that we didn't take an underclassman in the first round. At the spot we picked, it was pretty much just Kerrigan and Jordan (and I guess the OT class) amongst a ton of underclassmen.

[Dirtbag59]

NFL: Jahvid Best and Mikel Leshoure illustrate the evolution of NFL running backs - ESPN
Based on this I would suspect we're going to see more Torrain and Royster then Helu Jr. Skins take on the AFC East this year and have 8 games against 3-4 teams (including 4 straight in weeks 8-11). Helu should be fine though in the other 8 games .

[Fireox]

I would've liked to have seen a substantial NT over Jenkins and some O-Line help over Gomes. I think we went a little heavy on the receiving core and running backs, and none of the running backs are reputed to be able to catch balls out of the backfield or block. Without revamping our line, what quarterback, be it Beck, Grossman, or even McNabb will be able to get the ball down field without getting creamed?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Fireox

I would've liked to have seen a substantial NT over Jenkins and some O-Line help over Gomes. I think we went a little heavy on the receiving core and running backs, and none of the running backs are reputed to be able to catch balls out of the backfield or block. Without revamping our line, what quarterback, be it Beck, Grossman, or even McNabb will be able to get the ball down field without getting creamed?

I think the Neild will surprise a lot of people but at the same time more people would have felt confident with someone like Powe. Receiving crops and running back picks outside of Paul I felt were great because they were late and they will be coming into a regime that has a history of developing late round skilled players. However I see your point on the overkill.

Still Royster actually does have a reputation as a pass catcher and blocker. In fact he is best described as a back that's good at everything great at nothing.

Looking back the real area they might have gone overkill on is the front 5 on defense seeing as how they might be signing a nosetackle and defensive end. Don't get me wrong Jarvis Jenkins should be a nice find and he has a ton of upside given what he was able to do with limited measurable strength however with the rumors of signing Franklin and Jenkins coming in I can't help but think that the second round pick would have been much better spent on Hudson or Wisenski.

Gomes I didn't like much either but I know deep down he's a football player and will make it very hard for the coaches to cut him. In fact I think he may end up being the Lorenzo Alexander of the secondary.

2010 rules have depleted this offensive line class heavily while at the same time we could see 2/3's of our defensive line starters coming in via Free agency. I mean we don't know if Harris will be available and we have to find out soon or else we'll loose out on J. Brown and maybe have to settle for overplaying Gaither. Joesph is going to be a restricted free agent.

Tyson Clabo I'm hearing will be to expensive to resign for the Falcons and is coming off a pro bowl season. Falcons use a zone scheme so he might be looking into as well.

There are some other guys that are a little less well known but might be good fits but the good news is the Skins O-Line improved a lot near the end of the year and could simply get better by relying on continuity. Still we'll see.

[Dirtbag59]

So I decided to play around with numbers and came up with a statistical evaluation to see how picks were allocated in the draft.

Warning: May induce heart attack, stroke, and seizure.

Rules:
- Trench Players (DT, DE, OL, OLB in 3-4)

- Skilled Players (QB, RB, WR, TE, DB, LB, LS, K, P)

- Points were allocated so higher picks earned more points(1st Round - 7pts, 2nd Round - 6pts, 3rd Round - 5pts, 4th Round - 4pts, 5th Round - 3pts, 6th Round -2pts, 7th Round - 1pt)

- So to demonstrate, Brian Orakpo in the 1st Round resulted in 7 points for Trench players. Taylor Jacobs in the 2nd Round fetched 6 points for skilled players. Leonard Hankerson in the 3rd Round fetched 5 points for trench players. HB Blades in the 6th Round fetched 2 points for skilled players, Selvish Capers in the 7th Round fetched 1 point for trench players

-Trades for veterans were not included however supplementary picks were (ie Jarmon).

Shanallen 2010-2011
Trench Players Drafted - 8 (25 Points)
Skilled Players Drafted - 10 (27 Points)

Vinny Alone 2008-2009
Trench Players Drafted - 4 (18 Points)
Skilled Players Drafted - 13 (41 Points)

Vinny With Gibbs and Snyder 2004-2007
Trench Players Drafted - 5 (10 Points)
Skilled Players Drafted - 16 (61 Points)

Vinny With Snyder 2000, 2002-2003
Trench Players Drafted - 6 (20 Points)
Skilled Players Drafted - 15 (56 Points)

Vinny Reign of Terror 2000, 2002-2009
Trench Players Drafted - 15 (48 Points)
Skilled Players Drafted - 44 (158 Points)

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

So I decided to play around with numbers and came up with a statistical evaluation to see how picks were allocated in the draft.

Warning: May induce heart attack, stroke, and seizure.

Rules:
- Trench Players (DT, DE, OL, OLB in 3-4)

- Skilled Players (QB, RB, WR, TE, DB, LB, LS, K, P)

- Points were allocated so higher picks earned more points(1st Round - 7pts, 2nd Round - 6pts, 3rd Round - 5pts, 4th Round - 4pts, 5th Round - 3pts, 6th Round -2pts, 7th Round - 1pt)

- So to demonstrate, Brian Orakpo in the 1st Round resulted in 7 points for Trench players. Taylor Jacobs in the 2nd Round fetched 6 points for skilled players. Leonard Hankerson in the 3rd Round fetched 5 points for trench players. HB Blades in the 6th Round fetched 2 points for skilled players, Selvish Capers in the 7th Round fetched 1 point for trench players

-Trades for veterans were not included however supplementary picks were (ie Jarmon).

Shanallen 2010-2011
Trench Players Drafted - 8 (25 Points)
Skilled Players Drafted - 10 (27 Points)

Vinny Alone 2008-2009
Trench Players Drafted - 4 (18 Points)
Skilled Players Drafted - 13 (41 Points)

Vinny With Gibbs and Snyder 2004-2007
Trench Players Drafted - 5 (10 Points)
Skilled Players Drafted - 16 (61 Points)

Vinny With Snyder 2000, 2002-2003
Trench Players Drafted - 6 (20 Points)
Skilled Players Drafted - 15 (56 Points)

Vinny Reign of Terror 2000, 2002-2009
Trench Players Drafted - 15 (48 Points)
Skilled Players Drafted - 44 (158 Points)

This is great work. Wow....this is freaking mind blowing. Even guys running a Madden franchise know to draft quality guys in the trenches. Those stats are ridiculous.

[Monkeydad]

At least you admit it's just playing with numbers.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

At least you admit it's just playing with numbers.

My numbers are BEAST! [/Thread]

[freddyg12]

Dirtbag, I get your point about corners. Still, every year I'm a homer for at least 5 minutes when I read articles like this:

Thompson Brings Turnover Skills to Redskins

The link on facebook said something like they look for him to contribute "for many years to come." Really, a 7th round CB? If he makes it, that's cool, but I agree that late round cb's rarely are good enough, more so than w/other positions.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Dirtbag, I get your point about corners. Still, every year I'm a homer for at least 5 minutes when I read articles like this:

Thompson Brings Turnover Skills to Redskins

The link on facebook said something like they look for him to contribute "for many years to come." Really, a 7th round CB? If he makes it, that's cool, but I agree that late round cb's rarely are good enough, more so than w/other positions.

Good read. He's a good pickup for being drafted in the 7th round.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Dirtbag, I get your point about corners. Still, every year I'm a homer for at least 5 minutes when I read articles like this:

Thompson Brings Turnover Skills to Redskins

The link on facebook said something like they look for him to contribute "for many years to come." Really, a 7th round CB? If he makes it, that's cool, but I agree that late round cb's rarely are good enough, more so than w/other positions.

Good find, and thank you for acknowledging my hate for Corners, lol.

Still the thing that makes me wonder is if he ran such a great time in the 100 meter, why was his 40 time only 4.5?