Russel Wilson or Bob

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

What was that saying about preparation by Wilson? It's a good quote by him

“The separation is in the preparation.”

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

“The separation is in the preparation.”

Yes that's it. Th's kid is smart and. Hard worker. I hope he keeps it up seems like a cool dude

[Monkeydad]

When I was listening to Wilson speak before our game in interviews...it sounds like he's just a walking book of sports cliches. Aside from his "separation" line that he kept repeating, he was just spouting off football cliche after football cliche. I was waiting for him to throw Madden's "the team that scores more points will probably win the game".

He is obviously an intelligent guy, he reads defenses as well as anyone in the game, but when he talks, he's like a player version of Mike Shanahan or Bill Belichick.

Overall, Griffin just seems better on any level than Wilson, Kaepernick and really, most QBs in the game. He's more athletic, more talented, a more accurate passer, a better runner, a leader late in games, classier, more entertaining to listen to and probably one of the hardest workers in terms of training. Hopefully this will also translate into more success.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

When I was listening to Wilson speak before our game in interviews...it sounds like he's just a walking book of sports cliches. Aside from his "separation" line that he kept repeating, he was just spouting off football cliche after football cliche. I was waiting for him to throw Madden's "the team that scores more points will probably win the game".

He is obviously an intelligent guy, he reads defenses as well as anyone in the game, but when he talks, he's like a player version of Mike Shanahan or Bill Belichick.

Overall, Griffin just seems better on any level than Wilson, Kaepernick and really, most QBs in the game. He's more athletic, more talented, a more accurate passer, a better runner, a leader late in games, classier, more entertaining to listen to and probably one of the hardest workers in terms of training. Hopefully this will also translate into more success.

After watching Kaepernick the last several weeks, I don't see how anyone can say RG3 is clearly better than Kaepernick. Let's take our RG3 glasses off for a minute. The guy just rushed for 180 yards and threw for 260. He's throwing down the field with authority and is as accurate as anyone in the NFL. He's doing everything RG3 did and then some.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

After watching Kaepernick the last several weeks, I don't see how anyone can say RG3 is clearly better than Kaepernick. Let's take our RG3 glasses off for a minute. The guy just rushed for 180 yards and threw for 260. He's throwing down the field with authority and is as accurate as anyone in the NFL. He's doing everything RG3 did and then some.

And he has a healthy knee. That must count for something.

[Monkeydad]

Give RGIII SF's offensive line, perhaps the best in football, and he could do more, especially against a swiss cheese defense like the Packers put on the field that game.

I still maintain that RGIII is a more accurate passer and when he decides to take off, when healthy, he's a more dangerous runner too. Think about early in the season, 76 yards at half speed, high-stepping and looking back at the helpless defenders. He has a deep ball that could be the most accurate in the game.

Colin K has a ton of talent, but he still looks a little raw at times. I've seen him make some bad throws. He does have more talent around him too. This is a team that went 13-3 with Alex Smith last year.

They're both going to be tops in the league for years, but at this point, I still give the edge to Griffin going by individual (not team) accomplishments.

[30gut]

Obviously all 3 are good QBs, good leaders, good runners.

They're all very close in arm talent to my eye:

By arm I mean the combination of quickness of release, velocity, touch (deep ball) and accuracy.
In terms of pure velocity I would put Kaepernick is 1st. In terms of pure accuracy I would put Wilson is 1st Griff is very close because he can make some perfect passes but his ball location is inconsistent (often 'wild high'). Quick release I would put Griffin 1st. Touch(deep ball) tie between Griff & Russ.

Running ability: Griff is the most dynamic, he's a threat to score on any carry. Kaep isn't far behind though. Russell isn't as fast but he's more then useful enough to make the read-option plays work. Griffin is by far the most reckless. Kaep and Russ imo have far better running instincts and awareness about when, where and how to uneccesary hits.

Progression reading in a rhythm passing offense 3-5-7 step drop passing:
Russell Wilson is head and shoulders the best imo. Griff & Kaep operate schemes that far more run-action based and often result in simple half field/hi-lo reads.

[Meks]

rg3 > than both.

capernick didnt even play the whole season lol... the team around him weather it be the line or the d or whatever is better than ours... they were an NFC championship team last year too... i dont see how he has improved them that much... besides, cap and wilson had our offense that we installed, put in for them.

[30gut]

I'm talking about the actual QB not their teams or their stats

[Meks]

leaving the D out then.... how much can we actually tell about a qb if we dont take into account the weapons they have and the o line they have?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Obviously all 3 are good QBs, good leaders, good runners.

They're all very close in arm talent to my eye:

By arm I mean the combination of quickness of release, velocity, touch (deep ball) and accuracy.
In terms of pure velocity I would put Kaepernick is 1st. In terms of pure accuracy I would put Wilson is 1st Griff is very close because he can make some perfect passes but his ball location is inconsistent (often 'wild high'). Quick release I would put Griffin 1st. Touch(deep ball) tie between Griff & Russ.

Running ability: Griff is the most dynamic, he's a threat to score on any carry. Kaep isn't far behind though. Russell isn't as fast but he's more then useful enough to make the read-option plays work. Griffin is by far the most reckless. Kaep and Russ imo have far better running instincts and awareness about when, where and how to uneccesary hits.

Progression reading in a rhythm passing offense 3-5-7 step drop passing:
Russell Wilson is head and shoulders the best imo. Griff & Kaep operate schemes that far more run-action based and often result in simple half field/hi-lo reads.

I would agree with all this. Welcome back 30gut


Also would like to say I love when all the idoit talking heads miss bad on projections. Russell Wilson made a tonnnnnnn of people look bad this year.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I would agree with all this. Welcome back 30gut


Also would like to say I love when all the idoit talking heads miss bad on projections. Russell Wilson made a tonnnnnnn of people look bad this year.

This

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Meks

This

wasn't it kiper that said previous to the draft that wilson had no business even being IN the NFL???????

[Meks]

something along the lines that he wouldn't be successfull at QB in the nfl or somethin

[skinsfaninok]

Kiper also said Jimmy Clausen was a sure lock franchise qb.....