Redskins hire offensive consultant

GMScud · 10-09-2009, 11:13 PM

Anybody read Mike Wise's column yesterday? A good read. This speculation I found very interesting:

A conspiracy theorist might connect the dots and the timeline, which appeared fuzzy on Wednesday, like this: Lewis spends time with an old friend, Greg Blache, the Redskins' defensive coordinator whom he worked with for two years in Green Bay, before the Detroit-Washington game at the team hotel. Blache is a motivator of great renown, thought of highly by Snyder. If things go abysmally south the next three weeks, Blache is asked to take bullets as the interim head coach until season's end. At the least, Blache has got a guy he knows with a little play-calling experience to have his back in the event Zorn and Smith can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again by the bye week.

By then, Lewis has almost a month under his belt of learning personnel, plays and players.
Insular Ashburn says that's cynical thinking, jaded even. They say Lewis has worked with Brett Favre, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren -- so why not Campbell and Zorn? Since Zorn is basically a young Jedi learning the ways of the Force, to the point of his light saber needing new D batteries in the red zone, why not bring in Yoda for reinforcement?

Whom do I believe? Charley Casserly, the former general manager of the team, is normally a close-to-the-vest man in his new life as a football analyst on television. In his first thoughts after the hire, he called the addition of Lewis the "kiss of death" for Zorn.

Full Link: washingtonpost.com

tryfuhl · 10-11-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Anybody read Mike Wise's column yesterday? A good read. This speculation I found very interesting:

A conspiracy theorist might connect the dots and the timeline, which appeared fuzzy on Wednesday, like this: Lewis spends time with an old friend, Greg Blache, the Redskins' defensive coordinator whom he worked with for two years in Green Bay, before the Detroit-Washington game at the team hotel. Blache is a motivator of great renown, thought of highly by Snyder. If things go abysmally south the next three weeks, Blache is asked to take bullets as the interim head coach until season's end. At the least, Blache has got a guy he knows with a little play-calling experience to have his back in the event Zorn and Smith can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again by the bye week.

By then, Lewis has almost a month under his belt of learning personnel, plays and players.

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This was what I brought up when speaking with my stepfather when the news of the Lions game with him there came out. He does only live 30 mins away though, settled here after leaving the Lions. Also it was a bit too early for us to feel that troubled already I think, but who knows... but I also thought that it could be a little more than coincidence

NM Redskin · 10-10-2009, 04:33 AM

I think this is really the kiss of death for Sherman Smith. It is in the realm of possibility that Synder keeps Zorn and fires Smith for Lewis, if things don't improve.

Skinny Tee · 10-10-2009, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NM Redskin

I think this is really the kiss of death for Sherman Smith. It is in the realm of possibility that Synder keeps Zorn and fires Smith for Lewis, if things don't improve.

Zorn brought Sherman Smith in though. He actually had to do some convincing beforehand to pry him away from the Titans job. It would be pretty gutless to let your man go and just shrug it off like that. Especially considering Smith is one of only guys you brought in.

There has to be limitations to Zorn's constitution. You just can't continue to be undermined and be fine with it. You have to stand up at some point. Money and personal advancement is great but your professional credibility has to come into play when you're in charge.

Luxorreb · 10-10-2009, 05:56 AM

Unfortunately I think the writing is on the wall. Snyder is a rich prick. To fire Zorn before seasons end is premature, but we've seen it before. Why would true Skins fans expect otherwise? Why can't Gibbs Racing buy the team? FUCK. (Sorry for the curse words, but I'm really pissed).

NYCskinfan82 · 10-10-2009, 08:21 AM

Lewis will see their a few problems fixable thou but we need better WR's coaching & he will put in more time with them.

ethat001 · 10-10-2009, 08:52 AM

Too bad. Clearly this Sherman Lewis move is just more owner meddling with the team, and is destroying the team. Reminds me of when Gibbs was forced to give up his offensive coordinator role to whats-his-face (what could've happened if he kept it??). Sure, Lewis not a big move -- but it undermines the coach & team, and the team chemistry is falling apart. Sherman Smith is upset about Sherman Lewis, Portis is fighting with Sellers, Blache stopped talking to the media, and Zorn -- well, he's a *good guy* -- but how much respect does the team give him if they know he won't be there for long..

I think their drafts have been suspect & their free agent moves have often failed, and they just keep changing coaches and putting them at fault.

So looking back two years ago with the often talked about 3 second round picks... What if.. What if we actually drafted an offensive line two years ago?? INSTEAD of the receivers and TE we have that combined for -1 yard -- and actually drafted for NEED? Guess hindsight will tell us, but so far I just WISH we had a line that could actually create holes for Portis and betts. I just look at the HUGE running lanes that other running backs get down the middle of the field and I salivate....

MTK · 10-10-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ethat001

Too bad. Clearly this Sherman Lewis move is just more owner meddling with the team, and is destroying the team. Reminds me of when Gibbs was forced to give up his offensive coordinator role to whats-his-face (what could've happened if he kept it??). Sure, Lewis not a big move -- but it undermines the coach & team, and the team chemistry is falling apart. Sherman Smith is upset about Sherman Lewis, Portis is fighting with Sellers, Blache stopped talking to the media, and Zorn -- well, he's a *good guy* -- but how much respect does the team give him if they know he won't be there for long..

I think their drafts have been suspect & their free agent moves have often failed, and they just keep changing coaches and putting them at fault.

So looking back two years ago with the often talked about 3 second round picks... What if.. What if we actually drafted an offensive line two years ago?? INSTEAD of the receivers and TE we have that combined for -1 yard -- and actually drafted for NEED? Guess hindsight will tell us, but so far I just WISH we had a line that could actually create holes for Portis and betts. I just look at the HUGE running lanes that other running backs get down the middle of the field and I salivate....

Gibbs was forced to hire Saunders?

Interesting.

Got any concrete evidence of that?

wolfeskins · 10-10-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs was forced to hire Saunders?

Interesting.

Got any concrete evidence of that?

i thought gibbs wanted saunders because his(gibbs') offense was struggling. plus, i remember seeing an interview with gibbs and when he was asked if he had any regrets gibbs replied something like "i should have never brought saunders here"

Chico23231 · 10-10-2009, 09:25 AM

^"So looking back two years ago with the often talked about 3 second round picks... What if.. What if we actually drafted an offensive line two years ago?? INSTEAD of the receivers and TE we have that combined for -1 yard -- and actually drafted for NEED? Guess hindsight will tell us, but so far I just WISH we had a line that could actually create holes for Portis and betts. I just look at the HUGE running lanes that other running backs get down the middle of the field and I salivate...."

See thinking ahead and planning with your draft is how you building championship teams, WE DONT DO THAT HERE IN WASHINGTON. Our FO strategy is knee jerk reactions and plug hole strategy. Send draft picks away and then overpay free agents who never perform at their pay level. God, go to the salary cap central page here and prepare to throw up...my favs are Andre Carter, Portis and ARE contracts personally. There was an thread up here a couple months ago about "why we are the laughing stock of the NFL", its a direct result of are FO management. So far our play contributes to that laughing stock title as well hiring Bingo-callers and our D Cord being too sensative to reporters questions. Back to our 3 draft picks of the second round, you seen their play so far this year, might as well be ghosts out on the field because we getting goose eggs contributions from them. Its really just sicking to watch us hit bottom.

Defensewins · 10-10-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

^"So looking back two years ago with the often talked about 3 second round picks... What if.. What if we actually drafted an offensive line two years ago?? INSTEAD of the receivers and TE we have that combined for -1 yard -- and actually drafted for NEED? Guess hindsight will tell us, but so far I just WISH we had a line that could actually create holes for Portis and betts. I just look at the HUGE running lanes that other running backs get down the middle of the field and I salivate...."

See thinking ahead and planning with your draft is how you building championship teams, WE DONT DO THAT HERE IN WASHINGTON. Our FO strategy is knee jerk reactions and plug hole strategy. Send draft picks away and then overpay free agents who never perform at their pay level. God, go to the salary cap central page here and prepare to throw up...my favs are Andre Carter, Portis and ARE contracts personally. There was an thread up here a couple months ago about "why we are the laughing stock of the NFL", its a direct result of are FO management. So far our play contributes to that laughing stock title as well hiring Bingo-callers and our D Cord being too sensative to reporters questions. Back to our 3 draft picks of the second round, you seen their play so far this year, might as well be ghosts out on the field because we getting goose eggs contributions from them. Its really just sicking to watch us hit bottom.

Our lack of running game is a serious and major liability to the offense.
Everything else is so much easier on offense when you can run the ball well.

We have a serious lack of investment in offensive linemen in draft. There was a vocal group here during the last few drafts pissed we did not draft more OL. I was one of them. We have drafted one lineman in the last three years, Chad Rinehart. During those three years we knew we had an O-line that is old and can not stay healthy. This under performing line did not come on suddenly, we knew about it and did very little to address the problem. .

53Fan · 10-10-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Our lack of running game is a serious and major liability to the offense.
Everything else is so much easier on offense when you can run the ball well.

Truer words.....

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-10-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

Truer words.....

Dont you know its JC's fault we dont have a running game? lol

Redskin Warrior · 10-10-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Dont you know its JC's fault we dont have a running game? lol

Yeah he missed that block, didn't hit the hole fast enough, and didn't throw the winning touchdown. Or did he? LOL!!!

JLee9718 · 10-10-2009, 01:57 PM

If you think about it, Zorn was given x number of players to run his offense. Those players were selected by Cerrato with Snyder's blessing. The players aren't good enough, so Cerrato has to shift the blame to the coaches. The Redskins had a suspect offensive line and the #4 defense in the league. So Cerrato/Snyder "strengthens" the defense and gets waiver wire linemen to shore up a porous offensive line. I think Orakpo and Jarmon are going to be excellent players for the defense, but right now we need offensive help. The 'Skins traded Champ Bailey for one big headache (plus they threw in a second round draft choice) and the net result is terribly bad front office management, and the blame gets shifted to the coaching staff.

10-09-2009, 11:13 PM	#1
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,626	Re: Redskins hire offensive consultant Anybody read Mike Wise's column yesterday? A good read. This speculation I found very interesting: A conspiracy theorist might connect the dots and the timeline, which appeared fuzzy on Wednesday, like this: Lewis spends time with an old friend, Greg Blache, the Redskins' defensive coordinator whom he worked with for two years in Green Bay, before the Detroit-Washington game at the team hotel. Blache is a motivator of great renown, thought of highly by Snyder. If things go abysmally south the next three weeks, Blache is asked to take bullets as the interim head coach until season's end. At the least, Blache has got a guy he knows with a little play-calling experience to have his back in the event Zorn and Smith can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again by the bye week. By then, Lewis has almost a month under his belt of learning personnel, plays and players. Insular Ashburn says that's cynical thinking, jaded even. They say Lewis has worked with Brett Favre, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren -- so why not Campbell and Zorn? Since Zorn is basically a young Jedi learning the ways of the Force, to the point of his light saber needing new D batteries in the red zone, why not bring in Yoda for reinforcement? Whom do I believe? Charley Casserly, the former general manager of the team, is normally a close-to-the-vest man in his new life as a football analyst on television. In his first thoughts after the hire, he called the addition of Lewis the "kiss of death" for Zorn. Full Link: washingtonpost.com __________________ Tardy

10-10-2009, 04:33 AM	#3
NM Redskin The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,014	Re: Redskins hire offensive consultant I think this is really the kiss of death for Sherman Smith. It is in the realm of possibility that Synder keeps Zorn and fires Smith for Lewis, if things don't improve. __________________ Despite my solid 40 time and great intangibles I went undrafted AGAIN!

10-10-2009, 05:56 AM	#5
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 53 Posts: 1,630	Re: Redskins hire offensive consultant Unfortunately I think the writing is on the wall. Snyder is a rich prick. To fire Zorn before seasons end is premature, but we've seen it before. Why would true Skins fans expect otherwise? Why can't Gibbs Racing buy the team? FUCK. (Sorry for the curse words, but I'm really pissed). __________________ ^21^

10-10-2009, 08:21 AM	#6
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 56 Posts: 3,803	Re: Redskins hire offensive consultant Lewis will see their a few problems fixable thou but we need better WR's coaching & he will put in more time with them.

10-10-2009, 08:52 AM	#7
ethat001 Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 920	Re: Redskins hire offensive consultant Too bad. Clearly this Sherman Lewis move is just more owner meddling with the team, and is destroying the team. Reminds me of when Gibbs was forced to give up his offensive coordinator role to whats-his-face (what could've happened if he kept it??). Sure, Lewis not a big move -- but it undermines the coach & team, and the team chemistry is falling apart. Sherman Smith is upset about Sherman Lewis, Portis is fighting with Sellers, Blache stopped talking to the media, and Zorn -- well, he's a good guy -- but how much respect does the team give him if they know he won't be there for long.. I think their drafts have been suspect & their free agent moves have often failed, and they just keep changing coaches and putting them at fault. So looking back two years ago with the often talked about 3 second round picks... What if.. What if we actually drafted an offensive line two years ago?? INSTEAD of the receivers and TE we have that combined for -1 yard -- and actually drafted for NEED? Guess hindsight will tell us, but so far I just WISH we had a line that could actually create holes for Portis and betts. I just look at the HUGE running lanes that other running backs get down the middle of the field and I salivate....

10-10-2009, 09:25 AM	#10
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 35,022	Re: Redskins hire offensive consultant ^"So looking back two years ago with the often talked about 3 second round picks... What if.. What if we actually drafted an offensive line two years ago?? INSTEAD of the receivers and TE we have that combined for -1 yard -- and actually drafted for NEED? Guess hindsight will tell us, but so far I just WISH we had a line that could actually create holes for Portis and betts. I just look at the HUGE running lanes that other running backs get down the middle of the field and I salivate...." See thinking ahead and planning with your draft is how you building championship teams, WE DONT DO THAT HERE IN WASHINGTON. Our FO strategy is knee jerk reactions and plug hole strategy. Send draft picks away and then overpay free agents who never perform at their pay level. God, go to the salary cap central page here and prepare to throw up...my favs are Andre Carter, Portis and ARE contracts personally. There was an thread up here a couple months ago about "why we are the laughing stock of the NFL", its a direct result of are FO management. So far our play contributes to that laughing stock title as well hiring Bingo-callers and our D Cord being too sensative to reporters questions. Back to our 3 draft picks of the second round, you seen their play so far this year, might as well be ghosts out on the field because we getting goose eggs contributions from them. Its really just sicking to watch us hit bottom.

10-10-2009, 01:57 PM	#15
JLee9718 Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 573	Re: Redskins hire offensive consultant If you think about it, Zorn was given x number of players to run his offense. Those players were selected by Cerrato with Snyder's blessing. The players aren't good enough, so Cerrato has to shift the blame to the coaches. The Redskins had a suspect offensive line and the #4 defense in the league. So Cerrato/Snyder "strengthens" the defense and gets waiver wire linemen to shore up a porous offensive line. I think Orakpo and Jarmon are going to be excellent players for the defense, but right now we need offensive help. The 'Skins traded Champ Bailey for one big headache (plus they threw in a second round draft choice) and the net result is terribly bad front office management, and the blame gets shifted to the coaching staff.

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