Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

From 1998-2008, these are the quarterbacks drafted in the first round:

That is a total of 28 quarterbacks...of those, I've bolded those who I think have been really good QBs. That means that roughly 70% (my apologies) are busts

Peyton Manning
Ryan Leaf - bust
Tim Couch - bust
Donovan McNabb
Akili Smith - bust
Daunte Culpepper - he had a nice career
Cade McNown
Chad Pennington - weak arm, but solid game manager
Michael Vick - drafted for athletic ability, faded once folks knew how to stop him. Did lead Falcons to playoffs early in career.
David Carr - bust
Joey Harrington - bust
Patrick Ramsey - bust
Carson Palmer - Good career thusfar
Byron Leftwich - had some solid years in Jax, led team to playoffs if I'm not mistaken.
Kyle Boller - Bust
Rex Grossman - did lead team to super bowl, but overall underperformed his draft status.
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
J.P. Losman
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell - I wouldn't classify JC as a "really good QB".
Vince Young - hasn't justified his draft position, but we'll see if he's a bust by his performance next year.
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler
Jamarcus Russell
Brady Quinn - I'd like to see him with another team before he's classified as a bust. The dysfunction in Cleveland is worse than here. I'd actually like to see him brought in here for a shot.

Are you saying we shouldn't draft a QB in the first round because 50% of these guys don't work out? Should we not have drafted JC in the first round (my opinion in hindsight is that Gibbs missed on this one)?

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

From 1998-2008, these are the quarterbacks drafted in the first round:

Peyton Manning
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Donovan McNabb
Akili Smith
Daunte Culpepper****
Cade McNown
Chad Pennington****
Michael Vick****
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Carson Palmer****
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
J.P. Losman
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Vince Young****
Matt Leinart****
Jay Cutler
Jamarcus Russell
Brady Quinn****

That is a total of 28 quarterbacks...of those, I've bolded those who I think have been really good QBs. That means that roughly 70% (my apologies) are busts

i think al those with red would not be considered busts either and i throw lienart and quinn in there because they haven't really had an oppurtunity yet, and i hate vick but there is no way he is a bust, and carson palmer is one of the best qb's playing the game right now

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Right...but the sacks that he causes are far less than the sacks given up by the O line that even an average line wouldn't give up. Look at the games where the O-line plays decently, he has really good games...look at like the 13 games where the O-line does not play well, and he has what? an average game?

I'll take that going into next year over a draft pick who has a 80-85 percent chance of being the next Tim Couch

HAHAHAHAHA So now Bradford or Clausen are Tim Couch? I guess you just want to stick with a losing QB for ever... I bet you couldn't build a good team in Madden lol

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Right...but the sacks that he causes are far less than the sacks given up by the O line that even an average line wouldn't give up. Look at the games where the O-line plays decently, he has really good games...look at like the 13 games where the O-line does not play well, and he has what? an average game?

I'll take that going into next year over a draft pick who has a 80-85 percent chance of being the next Tim Couch

Let's see what Shanahan does. I think his ability to judge QB's is much better than anyone here. Perhaps he can design an offense that has more mid range and deep stuff that won't ask JC to read the whole field so he can get rid of the ball quicker.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Let's see what Shanahan does. I think his ability to judge QB's is much better than anyone here. Perhaps he can design an offense that has more mid range and deep stuff that won't ask JC to read the whole field so he can get rid of the ball quicker.

:vomit:benched:

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

:vomit:benched:

You forgot one

:frusty:

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

:vomit:benched:

lol. yeah what was i thinking????

[Zorn on the 4th of July]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

people have to realize that some of the sacks that jc takes are on him. sometimes he doesn't step up in the pocket, sometimes he holds the ball too long, doesn't see what the defense is doing to him fast enough. on a 3 step drop it's very simple, 1-2-3 and throw. And even on the quick short stuff he holds the ball. we've seen this over and over and over again. it's like the guy can't make any adjustments to his game. imo the first position that needs to be addressed is qb.

The first position that needs to be addressed is QB?

If by "addressed" you mean "better coached and added depth," then I agree.

The only positions that need to be addressed by improving "athletic ability of the starters" are all along the offensive line, KR/PR, and some of the WR slots. That's it. Even Landry is one hell of an athlete.

Campbell screwed up one time in the Dallas game in failing to adjust to a blitz, and he got called out on it by everybody. How many times had he been knocked down before that play??? I wouldn't have seen the safety cheating up, either, because I'd be blinking back all the tears.

Do not forget Campbell's first half of the 2008 season. He was good on a historical scale.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Zorn on the 4th of July

The first position that needs to be addressed is QB?

If by "addressed" you mean "better coached and added depth," then I agree.

The only positions that need to be addressed by improving "athletic ability of the starters" are all along the offensive line, KR/PR, and some of the WR slots. That's it. Even Landry is one hell of an athlete.

Campbell screwed up one time in the Dallas game in failing to adjust to a blitz, and he got called out on it by everybody. How many times had he been knocked down before that play??? I wouldn't have seen the safety cheating up, either, because I'd be blinking back all the tears.

Do not forget Campbell's first half of the 2008 season. He was good on a historical scale.

He was historically good by not throwing INT'S.... He didn't throw TD's either lol. Show me one QB that doesn't throw 10-14 int's every year and I will show you the same QB that doesn't throw many td's either. Jc never takes chances and thats why he wasn't regarded to be better than the likes of Orton (ASK DENVER) They turned JC down instead and that was confirmed by many reports not just PFT.

[jamf]

I voted NO.

Every QB in the league can play with a solid running game and good pass protection.

This has been a bad relationship that just needs to end.

[skinsfaninok]

^ I guess ppl don't watch Rodgers play, there is no comparing him and Campbell. Alot of ppl here have a hard time admitting that jc isn't very good and idk y? It is wht it is he's an avg guy

[irish]

I think cases could be made for highlighting Vick and Leftwich as well.

Having JC highlighted as a very good QB with names like P. Manning, McNabb, Big Ben & Rivers is an absolute joke.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by irish

I think cases could be made for highlighting Vick and Leftwich as well.

Having JC highlighted as a very good QB with names like P. Manning, McNabb, Big Ben & Rivers is an absolute joke.

Idk how he highlights jc and cutler in the same names as manning rivers etc, how this guy thinks jc is a top qb is beyond me

[Jesse E. Timmons]

hey paintrain,who the hell took us to the playoffs, who kicks ass when asked to play. but i dont have an iota of knowledge like your self.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Jesse E. Timmons

hey paintrain,who the hell took us to the playoffs, who kicks ass when asked to play. but i dont have an iota of knowledge like your self.

4 games in 2007 in a system he'd been in for a decade and who completes one long pass per game (how did he do in the 2nd half against KC?) doesn't offset a career of being a backup.