Its time for joe to step down.

[#56fanatic]

I have been saying it the last two weeks. Our offense looked better yesterday, no coincidence he left more of the calling and game plan to Al Saunders. I just think overall, its past him by. The same stuff that bit us in the ass 4 years ago, is still biting us today. He leads the NFL in games lost in the 2nd half. This was suppose to be his calling card. Second half adjustments. We are commiting the same stupid penalties, same stupid uninspired offensive play. conservative playcalling when we need to put teams away, clock management do I need to go on. I think it time Joe. hang up the clipboard my man. I grew up with you in the 80's and watched every game for 33 years, and I have never seen you so dazed and confused and full of excuses. No team in the 80 or 90 looked so lost and just flat out horrible.

[MTK]

I think people are looking too far into things. Take away the dumb penalties yesterday by the players, (not the coaches), and everything is fine and F'ing dandy today. I don't see where anyone should have any major problems with the offense yesterday, we saw some no huddle, 3 and 4 WR sets, shotguns on 1st down, JC threw the ball great, CP was running wild, basically everything we've wanted to see all along.

Crucial penalties killed this game. Look no further than that. I think the coaches did everything they could to put the players in the best position possible to win, bottom line is we were let down by crucial penalties and that has to fall soley on the players. That's an execution issue.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think people are looking too far into things. Take away the dumb penalties yesterday by the players, (not the coaches), and everything is fine and F'ing dandy today. I don't see where anyone should have any major problems with the offense yesterday, we saw some no huddle, 3 and 4 WR sets, shotguns on 1st down, JC threw the ball great, CP was running wild, basically everything we've wanted to see all along.

Crucial penalties killed this game. Look no further than that. I think the coaches did everything they could to put the players in the best position possible to win, bottom line is we were let down by crucial penalties and that has to fall soley on the players. That's an execution issue.

This is my point Matty - the same stuff that has killed this organization for years. At some point this has to fall on coaches for getting the players prepared. The Redskins for the Norv years had the same problems. When Joe took over same thing. Nothing has changes. They have shuffled players in and out of here but the overall bullshit is still the same. Stupid penalties, clock management, using timeouts like they give you 10 before the game. and when the game is on the line, conservative play calling because they are too scared to lose the game instead of having some major balls and going for someones throat.

The offense for 3 quarters looked pretty good. Jason has to be able to open it up. The kid is a PLAYER. Portis looks more comfortable running from 3 WR sets. TELL JOE TO THROW THE DAMN JUMBO PACKAGE OUT THE WINDOW ON RT 7 ON THE WAY TO REDSKIN PARK TODAY!! I live in charlotte NC, and we were watching the game at Hickory Tavern, and there was 10 people at my table, and no one really all that football savy (other than myself, of course!!) plus some people I pulled into the action by screaming and hollering, anyway, they all were saying "they are running here, they are running again?? " this was said before they snapped the fucking ball. So my point is this, if the everyday Joe can call what the Skins are doing before the snap, dont you think the FOOTBALL players and coaches know what the hell we are doing before the ball is snapped.

He has to go. Get someone with some fire that will go off on people.

bring back MARTY!!!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

This is my point Matty - the same stuff that has killed this organization for years. At some point this has to fall on coaches for getting the players prepared. The Redskins for the Norv years had the same problems. When Joe took over same thing. Nothing has changes. They have shuffled players in and out of here but the overall bullshit is still the same. Stupid penalties, clock management, using timeouts like they give you 10 before the game. and when the game is on the line, conservative play calling because they are too scared to lose the game instead of having some major balls and going for someones throat.

The offense for 3 quarters looked pretty good. Jason has to be able to open it up. The kid is a PLAYER. Portis looks more comfortable running from 3 WR sets. TELL JOE TO THROW THE DAMN JUMBO PACKAGE OUT THE WINDOW ON RT 7 ON THE WAY TO REDSKIN PARK TODAY!! I live in charlotte NC, and we were watching the game at Hickory Tavern, and there was 10 people at my table, and no one really all that football savy (other than myself, of course!!) plus some people I pulled into the action by screaming and hollering, anyway, they all were saying "they are running here, they are running again?? " this was said before they snapped the fucking ball. So my point is this, if the everyday Joe can call what the Skins are doing before the snap, dont you think the FOOTBALL players and coaches know what the hell we are doing before the ball is snapped.

He has to go. Get someone with some fire that will go off on people.

bring back MARTY!!!

I disagree. There's no need to ge cute at the goal line. Philly flat out outplayed us down there, and the false start on Cooley was icing on the cake.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I disagree. There's no need to ge cute at the goal line. Philly flat out outplayed us down there, and the false start on Cooley was icing on the cake.

Do you think leaving in the 3 wide set is cute if it works? I watch Indy's offense and I never ever ever see them put in 5 million TE's and try and run people over. Last night they had several short yardage situations and they ran the ball out of 3 wide sets and it worked every time. It creates space and running lanes, and the defense still has to defend the pass. The jumbo BS does not work cause Gibbs is trying to slam a 200 lbs. running back into a pile of 300 + pound men. Maybe if he had Gerald Riggs that crap would work. But if they are going to run Portis he needs some space. I say throw it out and leave it on Route 7.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Do you think leaving in the 3 wide set is cute if it works? I watch Indy's offense and I never ever ever see them put in 5 million TE's and try and run people over. Last night they had several short yardage situations and they ran the ball out of 3 wide sets and it worked every time. It creates space and running lanes, and the defense still has to defend the pass. The jumbo BS does not work cause Gibbs is trying to slam a 200 lbs. running back into a pile of 300 + pound men. Maybe if he had Gerald Riggs that crap would work. But if they are going to run Portis he needs some space. I say throw it out and leave it on Route 7.

On the flipside we've seen the heavy jumbo formation work plenty of times this year... so if it worked yesterday and we scored 6 would this even be an issue?

Philly got great penetration, that's us losing the critical man on a man battles.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

This is my point Matty - the same stuff that has killed this organization for years. At some point this has to fall on coaches for getting the players prepared. The Redskins for the Norv years had the same problems. When Joe took over same thing. Nothing has changes. They have shuffled players in and out of here but the overall bullshit is still the same. Stupid penalties, clock management, using timeouts like they give you 10 before the game. and when the game is on the line, conservative play calling because they are too scared to lose the game instead of having some major balls and going for someones throat.

The offense for 3 quarters looked pretty good. Jason has to be able to open it up. The kid is a PLAYER. Portis looks more comfortable running from 3 WR sets. TELL JOE TO THROW THE DAMN JUMBO PACKAGE OUT THE WINDOW ON RT 7 ON THE WAY TO REDSKIN PARK TODAY!! I live in charlotte NC, and we were watching the game at Hickory Tavern, and there was 10 people at my table, and no one really all that football savy (other than myself, of course!!) plus some people I pulled into the action by screaming and hollering, anyway, they all were saying "they are running here, they are running again?? " this was said before they snapped the fucking ball. So my point is this, if the everyday Joe can call what the Skins are doing before the snap, dont you think the FOOTBALL players and coaches know what the hell we are doing before the ball is snapped.

He has to go. Get someone with some fire that will go off on people.

bring back MARTY!!!

I generally agree on the jumbo package. Its usually a dead giveaway. However one play on the goalline was jumbo and we threw to cooley. I was thinking definate run. Good call bad execution. The other 6 or 7 tries we ran CP, i believe. Have to score a touchdown there and i thought we could have...should have tried to throw a couple more times than we did. We had what 7 chances?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

This is my point Matty - the same stuff that has killed this organization for years. At some point this has to fall on coaches for getting the players prepared. The Redskins for the Norv years had the same problems. When Joe took over same thing. Nothing has changes. They have shuffled players in and out of here but the overall bullshit is still the same. Stupid penalties, clock management, using timeouts like they give you 10 before the game. and when the game is on the line, conservative play calling because they are too scared to lose the game instead of having some major balls and going for someones throat.

The offense for 3 quarters looked pretty good. Jason has to be able to open it up. The kid is a PLAYER. Portis looks more comfortable running from 3 WR sets. TELL JOE TO THROW THE DAMN JUMBO PACKAGE OUT THE WINDOW ON RT 7 ON THE WAY TO REDSKIN PARK TODAY!! I live in charlotte NC, and we were watching the game at Hickory Tavern, and there was 10 people at my table, and no one really all that football savy (other than myself, of course!!) plus some people I pulled into the action by screaming and hollering, anyway, they all were saying "they are running here, they are running again?? " this was said before they snapped the fucking ball. So my point is this, if the everyday Joe can call what the Skins are doing before the snap, dont you think the FOOTBALL players and coaches know what the hell we are doing before the ball is snapped.

He has to go. Get someone with some fire that will go off on people.

bring back MARTY!!!

If they weren't that football savvy, why just assume that they were right?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If they weren't that football savvy, why just assume that they were right?

LOL good point.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If they weren't that football savvy, why just assume that they were right?

my point was even the most uninformed football person knew they were running before the play. Wouldn't you think the football coaches and players from the philly side knew what was coming.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think people are looking too far into things. Take away the dumb penalties yesterday by the players, (not the coaches), and everything is fine and F'ing dandy today. I don't see where anyone should have any major problems with the offense yesterday, we saw some no huddle, 3 and 4 WR sets, shotguns on 1st down, JC threw the ball great, CP was running wild, basically everything we've wanted to see all along.

Crucial penalties killed this game. Look no further than that. I think the coaches did everything they could to put the players in the best position possible to win, bottom line is we were let down by crucial penalties and that has to fall soley on the players. That's an execution issue.

Do you really think that? I would beg to differ. The coaches themselves would beg to differ. The defense had no plan for dealing with Brian Westbrook, clock management is still a maddening issue week after week, ...

No, it's certainly not ALL on the coaches, but everyone should equally share the blame for letting self-destructing 3-5 team on to your home field and sending you out of the stadium a loser.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Do you really think that? I would beg to differ. The coaches themselves would beg to differ. The defense had no plan for dealing with Brian Westbrook, clock management is still a maddening issue week after week, ...

No, it's certainly not ALL on the coaches, but everyone should equally share the blame for letting self-destructing 3-5 team on to your home field and sending you out of the stadium a loser.

Yeah I definitely think that.

Sorry but I can't pin blame on the coaches for the players committing crucial penalties all over the place and not being able to pick up 3 yards for a TD when they had 1st and goal.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah I definitely think that.

Sorry but I can't pin blame on the coaches for the players committing crucial penalties all over the place and not being able to pick up 3 yards for a TD when they had 1st and goal.

I think there's a 'micro' and a 'macro' level for looking at issues like this. On the micro level, no, the coaches aren't on the field commiting false starts or contacting receivers illegally after five yards.

But in the overall grand scheme of things, the 'macro' level, the coaches are responsible for creating an environment of fundamentals, of a killer instinct and winning attitude, and of fostering the mentality of players who do the things necessary to finish off opponents, of closing out a victory, of holding a lead, of making in-game adjustments -- we've seen none of that recently.

The blame goes everywhere. There really isn't any other way to look at it.

[Beemnseven]

Doc Walker on the Monday Morning Quarterback Show just mentioned the 'jumbo' package -- he said it doesn't intimidate anyone the way it used to. If you're right there on the goal line, it's fine, but not five yards from the endzone.

And you're basically broadcasting what you're going to do. Everyone recognizes that we don't have the personnel to pop people in the mouth and dare anyone to stop us the way it was done in 1984. And you're not faking anyone out by lining up people who are run blockers first then sending those same guys out for passing routes.

Six different times they had the ball within an earshot of the goal line and couldn't get it in. Something's clearly wrong there.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Doc Walker on the Monday Morning Quarterback Show just mentioned the 'jumbo' package -- he said it doesn't intimidate anyone the way it used to. If you're right there on the goal line, it's fine, but not five yards from the endzone.

And you're basically broadcasting what you're going to do. Everyone recognizes that we don't have the personnel to pop people in the mouth and dare anyone to stop us the way it was done in 1984. And you're not faking anyone out by lining up people who are run blockers first then sending those same guys out for passing routes.

Six different times they had the ball within an earshot of the goal line and couldn't get it in. Something's clearly wrong there.

Right on. One time they did throw out of the jumbo package. The other 5-6 times they ran. We can't telegraph what we're doing b/c we
're not that much better than other teams.