Portis staying?

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

EIther you guys didn't read my post or you didn't comprehend it, that's for sure.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

EIther you guys didn't read my post or you didn't comprehend it, that's for sure.

I think many people read it, comprehended it, and then disagreed with it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

you cant compare qb stats from the 70's to qb stats in 2009. hell you cant even compare qb stats in the early 2000's to 2009.

but your point that a former player with average stats while he was in the nfl could never be a good coach is 100% correct. noone could argue otherwise.

The "Advanced Passing" section of pro football reference does adjust for the passing climate of the era, whereas stats like QB rating are just heavily skewed towards players that play today.

It doesn't adjust for opponents though, so it's not perfect.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The "Advanced Passing" section of pro football reference does adjust for the passing climate of the era, whereas stats like QB rating are just heavily skewed towards players that play today.

It doesn't adjust for opponents though, so it's not perfect.

Forget the era. Simple concept. End of the game and end of the season, you want your QB to have thrown more touchdowns than interceptions. Every touchdown is a chance to win and every interception is a chance for the OTHER team to win and that goes for every era. Zorn threw 111 tds and 141 ints... Simple as that.

huh? Can i Make it worse? Okay. His first season, Zorn threw 12 tds and 27 interceptions. TO be fair, i'll count his rushing touchdowns and say 16 tds and 27ints.

in his 11 seasons he only has 2 seasons with more touchdowns than interceptions... TWO OUT OF ELEVEN!!??!?!

Let's compare him to OUR qb in the same era for a little perspective. Theisman threw 160 tds 138 ints. 50% of his seasons were with more TDs than INTs including one with 29 tds and 11 ints. (If you count rushing TDs with passing, then Joe Theisman he has 7 out of 12 seasons with more TDs than Ints)

I can go on, but i wont, due to an abundance of short attention spans in here.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I think many people read it, comprehended it, and then disagreed with it.

I dont' care if you disagree. I just want a real debate or some reasons. I made my case the the following responses are like, "Portis BAD!"

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Bottom line, CP talks too much, and so do his supporters. Let's see some results and then we'll revisit this.

You walk the walk you can talk the talk. CP walked the walk for many seasons dealing with mediocre play from his compadres. The guy was the only consistent functioning part of the offense for more than a few seasons. That being said he still does need to quiet down a bit. Barry Saunders had to put up with the same type of crap, but was able to hold out longer til he said "F*&^% it" and left. IF CP is let go it should be because of his concussion and the fact that the Skins used him up rather quickly. The guy isn't a TO in that he opened up his mouth when the season was already lost. CP is a Pro Bowler RB, that was behind a terrible, injury ridden O line(same line that JC had to contend with) and folks want to see results?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

I dont' care if you disagree. I just want a real debate or some reasons. I made my case the the following responses are like, "Portis BAD!"

It is the experience of myself and others that we do offer "real debate," you just don't listen to points which disagree with yours.

Now you've moved on to wholesale put-downs of others. This is not your best strategy for encouraging "real debate."

For me personally, I think every angle of the Portis debate has been explored. It is time to move on to talking about something more important or at least different.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

I dont' care if you disagree. I just want a real debate or some reasons. I made my case the the following responses are like, "Portis BAD!"

And all we seem to be hearing from you is how great Portis is.

Let's just drop it for now and wait and see if he's even on the team next season.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Lotus, if any comment about portis is "beating a dead horse" to you, then WHY ARE YOU ON THE PORTIS PAGE!?!?! That's like me going to all the other ones and saying STOP BLOGGING AND POSTING THINGS as a blog or a post. It's a cute reply, yes, but only if everyone on here is dumb enough to not notice that you are in a PORTIS ROOM saying STOP TALKING ABOUT PORTIS!

Mattyk, You are also being a bit dim. FYI, anyone who is FOR Portis can be misquoted as saying he's god. Anyone AGAINST Portis can be accused of ignoring his positive stats. Try something else. I KNOW he's not perfect. Never said he was. I never said he was great, but if YOU think that the fact that he is the only part of our offense that has been consistantly good from the year he joined the team until now, or if YOU think him making a pro-bowl in his "latter years" behind a crappy line makes him 'great', then maybe you're on the wrong side of the argument.

Also, its obvious that any argument for or against him is moot should the doctor say, "No more football" or Shanahan say, "Better luck elsewhere". Until then, this thread is where people state their case in the scenario of him being cleared to play. That should've been obvious.

[MTK]

Sometimes a thread gets to the point where the original debate is lost and we're just going in circles, I think this thread has reached that point.