Its time for joe to step down.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think people are looking too far into things. Take away the dumb penalties yesterday by the players, (not the coaches), and everything is fine and F'ing dandy today. I don't see where anyone should have any major problems with the offense yesterday, we saw some no huddle, 3 and 4 WR sets, shotguns on 1st down, JC threw the ball great, CP was running wild, basically everything we've wanted to see all along.

Crucial penalties killed this game. Look no further than that. I think the coaches did everything they could to put the players in the best position possible to win, bottom line is we were let down by crucial penalties and that has to fall soley on the players. That's an execution issue.

I have been one to be very critical of the staff. And yesterday they made some more f-ups. The draw play from the 7 yard line was just awful. Taking the ball out of JC hands was comical and Gibbs ought to be ashamed of himself. But it always comes down to a few plays in a close game. And in this game the two guys who killed us were Cooley and Smoot.

1. Smoot had a silly penalty on the first drive for illegal contact on a 3rd and long that kept the drive alive for Philly. Philly ended up scoring 7 points on the drive when they should have punted. Now we see why Minn let him go.

2. As much as I love Cooley you can't get a false start AT HOME on the 1 yard line. That is the kind of mental error that Shockey would make. He should give back some of his signing bonus after that critical mistake cause the WR broke wide open on the play and it would have been 7.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I have been one to be very critical of the staff. And yesterday they made some more f-ups. The draw play from the 7 yard line was just awful. Taking the ball out of JC hands was comical and Gibbs ought to be ashamed of himself. But it always comes down to a few plays in a close game. And in this game the two guys who killed us were Cooley and Smoot.

1. Smoot had a silly penalty on the first drive for illegal contact on a 3rd and long that kept the drive alive for Philly. Philly ended up scoring 7 points on the drive when they should have punted. Now we see why Minn let him go.

2. As much as I love Cooley you can't get a false start AT HOME on the 1 yard line. That is the kind of mental error that Shockey would make. He should give back some of his signing bonus after that critical mistake cause the WR broke wide open on the play and it would have been 7.

I actually didn't have a big problem with the draw call. Philly was coming with an all out blitz and CP nearly scored. Another yard and it would have been a brilliant call.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I actually didn't have a big problem with the draw call. Philly was coming with an all out blitz and CP nearly scored. Another yard and it would have been a brilliant call.

I repeat a statement that I made earlier:

Philly DID NOT come with an all out blitz on the third down draw play from the 7. Go back and look at the play if you have a chance - Philly faked blitz prior to the snap before dropping the LBs. They only rushed the four D-linemen, the linebackers stayed home in the middle of the field, which doomed that play from the start. Portis was tackled at the 3 yardline - to me that's not even coming close to a clinching TD.

That call probably works less than 25 percent of the time at that down and distance. I like our chances much more letting Campbell make a play, especially given his stellar play in the red zone.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I repeat a statement that I made earlier:

Philly DID NOT come with an all out blitz on the third down draw play from the 7. Go back and look at the play if you have a chance - Philly faked blitz prior to the snap before dropping the LBs. They only rushed the four D-linemen, the linebackers stayed home in the middle of the field, which doomed that play from the start. Portis was tackled at the 3 yardline - to me that's not even coming close to a clinching TD.

That call probably works less than 25 percent of the time at that down and distance. I like our chances much more letting Campbell make a play, especially given his stellar play in the red zone.

Yep. You go with what works and what had been working. Campbell was on target yesterday, then they tried to get cute and fake everybody out on a draw play.

I'd be willing to bet that Gibbs was ready to settle for three to begin with, and put it on the backs of the defense, who'd been scorched all day by Westbrook. It's the same strategy we've seen all year.

Are we honestly going to assume that the defense is going to be lights out and close the victory every single time? Why not let the offense do it for a change?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I have been one to be very critical of the staff. And yesterday they made some more f-ups. The draw play from the 7 yard line was just awful. Taking the ball out of JC hands was comical and Gibbs ought to be ashamed of himself. But it always comes down to a few plays in a close game. And in this game the two guys who killed us were Cooley and Smoot.

1. Smoot had a silly penalty on the first drive for illegal contact on a 3rd and long that kept the drive alive for Philly. Philly ended up scoring 7 points on the drive when they should have punted. Now we see why Minn let him go.

2. As much as I love Cooley you can't get a false start AT HOME on the 1 yard line. That is the kind of mental error that Shockey would make. He should give back some of his signing bonus after that critical mistake cause the WR broke wide open on the play and it would have been 7.

Let me give you three more. On the drive that Prioleau got beat by Reggie Brown deep:

1. Randall Godfrey dropped an EASY interception that hit him in both hands.

2. Shawn Springs picked up an illegal contact penalty on 2nd and 20 when we held Westbrook to a 4 yard catch. Instead of 3rd and 16, Philly got a fresh set of downs, and I'm pretty sure scored on the next play to Reggie Brown.

3. Prioleau badly misplayed the pass to Brown. If he locates the underthrown pass earlier, it's an easy INT.

I agree that Cooley's mistake was the most egregious. You're at home, so crowd noise is not a factor. Just a dumb, dumb play. I'm tired of Gibbs talking about our "SuperSmart" guys when we have mental breakdowns every game.

The Silver Lining - Campbell was FINALLY allowed to stretch the field. We should do more no huddle so we can take the play calling away from Saunders/Gibbs.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Let me give you three more. On the drive that Prioleau got beat by Reggie Brown deep:

1. Randall Godfrey dropped an EASY interception that hit him in both hands.

2. Shawn Springs picked up an illegal contact penalty on 2nd and 20 when we held Westbrook to a 4 yard catch. Instead of 3rd and 16, Philly got a fresh set of downs, and I'm pretty sure scored on the next play to Reggie Brown.

3. Prioleau badly misplayed the pass to Brown. If he locates the underthrown pass earlier, it's an easy INT.

I agree that Cooley's mistake was the most egregious. You're at home, so crowd noise is not a factor. Just a dumb, dumb play. I'm tired of Gibbs talking about our "SuperSmart" guys when we have mental breakdowns every game.

The Silver Lining - Campbell was FINALLY allowed to stretch the field. We should do more no huddle so we can take the play calling away from Saunders/Gibbs.

I didn't have a problem w/ Godfrey's play. He's a LB with stone hands. And PP is another back-up so I'll give that one to Reggie Brown. But you are right on w/ Springs. That's another one that just killed us. One of our best players getting that on a 2-20 is just crazy. So people ( including myself) can bitch and moan about the jumbo BS but in the end 3 of our best, and highest paid guys let us down.

[redsk1]

I'm no Gibbs apologist. I've been critical of him over the few years. Let's wait til the end of the year to give an assessment of this team. The years not over yet. Yes, its frustrating as hell and it's getting old, but we still have a winning record, for the time being.

They've really backed themselves against a wall now though. Losing 2 games in the second half to division rivals at home. Non playoff teams do that, playoff teams don't do that. As I posted before though we haven't played like a playoff team this year. Right now we're an average team that could actually finish last in our division.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Honestly, I think runs in third down situations after we've thrown at least on first or second down are pretty good calls.

They at least throw the defense off.

In general, I thought the playcalling was amazing whether Campbell was doing it himself or not.

[Jamaican'Skin]

I saw we fire the whole team, move to Montana and start an expansion team.



Psych

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by redduke44

He doesnt have that killer in his eyes.Keep greg williams,bring in bill cower now ,we are are not going anywhere and thats the fact.Joe gibbs is too soft we should have put them away on that fourthdown call,bump a fieldgoal(and thats putting it nicley).I love joe gibbs like a father but this has went too far for too long.Lets keep it real redskins fans,this game has passed him bye and he knows it and we all know it!Its hard but its fair!

Give me a break. The game has passed him by, please!

[GiantsSuck703]

Why does everyone keep blaming Cooley for Jumping offsides, go back and look at the game and see the mass confusion going on during that play with our offense, we barely got the ball of before the play clock ran out.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Why does everyone keep blaming Cooley for Jumping offsides, go back and look at the game and see the mass confusion going on during that play with our offense, we barely got the ball of before the play clock ran out.

How can you avoid blaming Cooley for jumping offsides? 10 other guys didn't. Let me guess, this is Gibbs' fault?

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

How can you avoid blaming Cooley for jumping offsides? 10 other guys didn't. Let me guess, this is Gibbs' fault?

Go back and look at the play, the play gets in late and there is complete confusion going on and this causes Cooley to jump the gun. No matter what you will continue to make excuses for Gibbs and his joke of a staff, which by the way is the highest paid in the league. I didnt know great coaching gets you a 5-4 record and 3 4th quarter collapses, your right Gibbs can do no wrong.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Go back and look at the play, the play gets in late and there is complete confusion going on and this causes Cooley to jump the gun. No matter what you will continue to make excuses for Gibbs and his joke of a staff, which by the way is the highest paid in the league. I didnt know great coaching gets you a 5-4 record and 3 4th quarter collapses, your right Gibbs can do no wrong.

Ultimately the buck has got to stop at Gibbs' feet. He is responsible for W-L record, which isn't particularly good. I just think it is hilarious when people blame Gibbs for false starts, fumbles, interceptions, defensive breakdowns, etc. Sorry, but the false start is squarely on Cooley's shoulders. You get your ass on the line and you don't move until the ball is snapped. 10 players didn't jump, Cooley did, but that's Gibbs' fault?

By the way, I don't make excuses for Gibbs left and right. I stand by him when he is being unfairly criticized and criticize him when he deserves it. For example, I harshly criticized his clock management and burning timeouts. But there are an awful lot of people on this site who blame Gibbs for everything short of the Titanic.

As I said in another thread, there are WAY too many people who want to take things to extremes (e.g., Joe Gibbs is a joke). Think about what are you going to say and then mean what you type. When you say things like Joe Gibbs is a joke, you're just making yourself look stupid. The guy certainly doesn't look like a HoFer this time around, but to say he is a joke is simply dumb.

[JWsleep]

For the record, the draw play we ran was actually a run/pass option. JC reads the D and hands it off if they're back, throws wide if they stack the line. Not a bad play--gives JC some freedom there. It didn't work, but it wasn't a bad call.

This per Gibbs's press conference today. Washington Redskins