I Was impressed!!!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by beemnsevenspop

Not to be argumentative, but I'm not sure "power running" is a necessity at the QB position; his rushing numbers aren't too shabby (after 3 years, 475 attempts - 2,037 yards - 43 TD's). And at 6'3", 245, he's not exactly a welterweight. I think he can take a hit or two....

That's not what I was saying. I was saying that Tim Tebow acts as if he has to be a power runner and that's not a good thing. Regardless of his build, I don't think Tim Tebow could continue to run the way he does in the NFL and stay healthy.

Tebow will take far too many clean hits in the NFL because he's not particularly shifty and I think that will prevent him from staying healthy.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dgack

Well, first of all, there were only 3 QB's who had a better QB rating in the postseason than Jason had in the reg. season. (PManning, Roethlisberger, Warner). That's not much of an apples-to-apples comparison though, because almost every QB in the playoffs had better regular season stats than in the playoffs (for obvious reasons).

But here's the list of QB's in the playoffs last season whose *regular season* QB rating ranked below Jason Campbell:

* Ben Roethisberger
* Joe Flacco
* Kerry Collins
* Tavaris Jackson
* David Garrard

QB's in the playoffs last season whose regular season QB rating were 5 points higher (or less) than Jason Campbell:

* Eli Manning
* Donovan McNabb
* Matt Ryan
* Jake Delhomme

That leaves only 5 QB's in the playoffs last season whose regular season QB rating was appreciably better than Jason Campbell:

* Philip Rivers
* P. Manning
* Chad Pennington
* Warner
* Brees

Good post. Except I don't think Garrard and the Jags made the playoffs

[Jay Schroeder]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Good post. Except I don't think Garrard and the Jags made the playoffs

Jaguars went 5-11 last year lol...

You cant tell me that Campbell is better than Ben Roethlisberger, theres no way anyone in their right mind will co-sign that statement

as for Flacco and Collins thats a toss up with Campbell (I'd prefer Flacco personally)

I argue the only qb "far worse" than Campbell in the playoffs as you put it, was Jackson...and he wouldnt be there without the o line and d line and Peterson.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Jay Schroeder

Jaguars went 5-11 last year lol...

You cant tell me that Campbell is better than Ben Roethlisberger, theres no way anyone in their right mind will co-sign that statement

as for Flacco and Collins thats a toss up with Campbell (I'd prefer Flacco personally)

I argue the only qb "far worse" than Campbell in the playoffs as you put it, was Jackson...and he wouldnt be there without the o line and d line and Peterson.

I would add Delhomme to that list. He somehow got an extension on the strength of an amazing running game and one of the best receivers in the game.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by Jay Schroeder

Rewatched it, the second one obviously was Landry, Hall wasn't involved in the play...

Hall totally missed jamming Moss at the line, which IMO had a huge effect on the play.

[Jay Schroeder]

didnt see that on the replay last night on sportscenter...but obviously hall cant jam randy moss on the line

[Jay Schroeder]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I would add Delhomme to that list. He somehow got an extension on the strength of an amazing running game and one of the best receivers in the game.

I'd say its a toss up between Campbell and Delhomme...although Delhomme had one of the worst playoff games in history last year

[Jay Schroeder]

I just think "far worse" can only be reserved for Tavaris Jackson...those other dudes (Collins, Delhomme, Flacco) are on Campbells level or better in my opinon

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Jay Schroeder

I just think "far worse" can only be reserved for Tavaris Jackson...those other dudes (Collins, Delhomme, Flacco) are on Campbells level or better in my opinon

I can see where you're coming from (I'd include Delhomme and maybe Collins in the far worse category, but that's not a huge deal), but the fact remains that not every QB in the playoffs was better than Jason, so it's not like he couldn't lead a team to the playoffs. People who think, "we'll never go anywhere with Jason," history completely disproves that idea. Other things really have to fall into place, and that may be a lot to ask with a one running back system (essentially) that's based on a 28 year old running back.

That said, I think Jason is going to take a big stride this season. Playing with essentially the same group of receivers, in the same system, I could see him putting up some gaudy numbers and leading this team to 10+ wins.

It's true, I might be drinking the Kool-Aid, but I think this team has the potential to be as good as any in the league this season.

[Jay Schroeder]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I can see where you're coming from (I'd include Delhomme and maybe Collins in the far worse category, but that's not a huge deal), but the fact remains that not every QB in the playoffs was better than Jason, so it's not like he couldn't lead a team to the playoffs. People who think, "we'll never go anywhere with Jason," history completely disproves that idea. Other things really have to fall into place, and that may be a lot to ask with a one running back system (essentially) that's based on a 28 year old running back.

That said, I think Jason is going to take a big stride this season. Playing with essentially the same group of receivers, in the same system, I could see him putting up some gaudy numbers and leading this team to 10+ wins.

It's true, I might be drinking the Kool-Aid, but I think this team has the potential to be as good as any in the league this season.

I agree with most of this myself

I think it can be done (wildcard berth)...I shit on Campbell at times, but I tend to over exaggerate

As our o line goes so goes our teams fortunes this year in my opinion

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Off topic but what did you guys think of that block that ol Favre threw? Stuff like that wins over a locker room IMO.

I thought it was a great block. He didn't mean any harm by it. Farve was solid last night. Minn is going to be a very very tough team in the NFC.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I think he will be either a TE or a pass catching full back. I do, however, think that the return of the single wing (wild cat) may find him a spot on an NFL roster as a "Quarterback." He could end up being a lot like Pat White, drafted to play run the wild cat/emergency qb spot and find a way to prove himself.

My biggest problem with him isn't that he can't throw. He's not overly accurate, but that's not as much of a headache as his need to be a power runner. Guys are bigger in the NFL and that's a good way to get injured if you're not big enough to take the kind of beating that would be required of a power back. I'm afraid if someone selects Tebow to play Q, they'll spend much of their time wondering how his throwing shoulder gave out so early.

Tebow has NO CHANCE at being an NFL QB. None. He'd be a good guy to have on your team though. He could be a utility player and help out on teams, h-back, TE and maybe some wildcat.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Tebow has NO CHANCE at being an NFL QB. None. He'd be a good guy to have on your team though. He could be a utility player and help out on teams, h-back, TE and maybe some wildcat.

That's kind of what I was getting at. I was just saying that his passing, IMO, isn't the greater concern. Tebow seems to take pride in being a power runner and that'll get him killed in the NFL.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Good post. Except I don't think Garrard and the Jags made the playoffs

Sleep deprivation. I used NFL.com stats for 2008 playoffs and when my brain saw "Byron Leftwich" (throwing a few balls for PIT) I guess I just wrote Garrard. Doh.

[Jay Schroeder]

Q: Why does everyone around the league, and certainly here in the D.C. area, crush Jason Campbell when it's blatantly obvious that his mediocrity is not for lack of talent or his ability to make plays, but rather the organization's inability to have confidence in him? It seems that for some reason Jim Zorn touts this guy's arm and decision-making, but he refuses to call plays that allow him to show off either. Even under Joe Gibbs, Campbell was unable to showcase his ability, and is seemingly asked to simply not lose games rather than win them. Will this change for JC, or is he as good as gone after the season?

From Cory in Hagerstown, Md.

A: Jason is in a tough spot, but he can come out of this big if he takes the Redskins to the playoffs. It's pretty clear ownership doesn't believe he is a franchise quarterback. He was drafted by Joe Gibbs because Gibbs believed he could be a franchise quarterback. Gibbs is gone. I believe Jim Zorn is doing the best he can to get the right plays for Campbell to run. Campbell's accurate as a thrower. He needs to be more consistent with his leadership. But he also must do better in the red zone. The Redskins' offense should average 20 or more points a game. If Campbell does well, he gets a new contract. If he doesn't, the Redskins move on to the next quarterback. In the third preseason game, though, Zorn tried more of a play-action attack, which might suit Campbell better.


From Clayton's mailbag...I agree on the play action passing. If our line holds up and Portis and Cooley can consistently get us in 2nd and 3-4 yds. I dont see why we cant air it out consistently to Santana and the youngns (Kelly, Thomas) and put some points on the board.