Heartbreak City: Redskins-Saints Postgame Thread

[sdskinsfan2001]

I'd can Gruden as soon as the season ends and get new HC hired asap. Then Cousins can meet with new HC and his OC. Then if he doesn't want to sign, put the transition tag on him. Then we either get 2 1st round picks, or Cousins gets 1 more year here to see if he likes new situation or he signs a massive extension.

Where is it said that Cousins is married to Gruden? Even if he is, you can't keep a mediocre coach to please a player. Mr. 8-8 just doesn't have "it" as a coach. We completely shit the bed Sunday. That was pathetic. Usually by now, I'm over losses, but I'm still damn pissed off about this one.

Either way, I'll have a huge cauldron of kool-aid made going into the 2018 season. 2018 SB champs!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by MTK

People had very similar complaints about McVay the last few years as a play caller. To me it’s a seriously overrated complaint. If guys make their blocks we convert that 4th down. If the call was a QB sneak or an up the gut run that got stuffed people would be complaining about that call too. Players have to execute and they simply did not. I’d have to double check but I think it was Paul that blew his assignment on the play.

Paul missed the block. Which brings me to this question. Why is he playing fullback anyway and why isn't there a true fullback on the roster? Which would tell me trying to push guys off the line on a 3rd and short isn't what we do well. Especially when guys are playing hurt. It was just a dumb ass call, there's no defending it. It wasn't even full yard, it was half a yard.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I'd can Gruden as soon as the season ends and get new HC hired asap. Then Cousins can meet with new HC and his OC. Then if he doesn't want to sign him, put the transition tag on him. Then we either get 2 1st round picks, or Cousins gets 1 more year here to see if he likes new situation or he signs a massive extension.

Where is it said that Cousins is married to Gruden? Even if he is, you can't keep a mediocre coach to please a player. Mr. 8-8 just doesn't have "it" as a coach. We completely shit the bed Sunday. That was pathetic. Usually by now, I'm over losses, but I'm still damn pissed off about this one.

Either way, I'll have a huge cauldron of kool-aid made going into the 2018 season. 2018 SB champs!

Coaching changes happen all the time in this league. Cousins would have to get over it like every other QB has had to. It's part of the business.

It's a big 6 games for Gruden. The team has to get better at the last few minutes of each half. This high school nonsense has to stop or he deserves to get fired. Just think how close we were to losing to the 49ers at home and it was really a so so call that helped us win that one.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Agreed. The penalty on the FG, KC's intentional grounding (even it wasn't), all those things are on the players. But at the same token, some coaches struggle more with game management than others, and Gruden will always be one who does. I don't understand wanting him to give up play calling, I mean we put up solid points against top defenses all year long. The question I have is why do the Skins go into brain freeze at the end of half's and games. I just don't understand that at all.

Exactly. He's had 4 years to fix it and he's still screwing it up. It ain't that hard. He has multiple coaches helping, they practice it, he has a vet QB and they still struggle with it.

[MTK]

Paul is more than capable of making that block. Fullback in general has been phased out around the league not just here.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Coaching changes happen all the time in this league. Cousins would have to get over it like every other QB has had to. It's part of the business.

It's a big 6 games for Gruden. The team has to get better at the last few minutes of each half. This high school nonsense has to stop or he deserves to get fired. Just think how close we were to losing to the 49ers at home and it was really a so so call that helped us win that one.

But you can look at the KC game where we were a drop TD away from a win, Eagles game was a possible winning drive with a bullshit strip-sack call that was wrong, and this past game should have been a win and we didn't get a chance to redeem ourselves with a bullshit grounding call.

With all of the injuries, we have played tough and well enough to win. This team simply does not have the playmakers at Running Back, Wide Receiver, and has issues still on both the DLine (no NT/DT) and Oline (Interior Play at Guard and Center)...

We need to sign Cousins long term, get healthy, and continue to draft talent. Also, we should sign a playmaker at WR or RB. Spending some money there.

Gruden has a lot of pull with the front office, Id say let it continue, give it 2 more years.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Looks like our group is about 50/50 on sending Gruden to the pit of misery or not.

I can see the other side, but he just hasn't shown me he can manage a game correctly in big time situations. And that trust is gone. Don't want to waste another season to see if he magically figures it out.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Paul missed the block. Which brings me to this question. Why is he playing fullback anyway and why isn't there a true fullback on the roster? Which would tell me trying to push guys off the line on a 3rd and short isn't what we do well. Especially when guys are playing hurt. It was just a dumb ass call, there's no defending it. It wasn't even full yard, it was half a yard.

Callahan. He has the pedigree, the look, praise around the league but imo our run problems started when he came aboard. I like Callahan and want him vs not wanting him ... but I do put about half the blame for our run problems on him. And our run problems are our biggest holdback on offense these past 3-4 years. The problem is significant.

Gruden has repeatedly said Callahan has a say in game planning/play calling, especially on run plays. Gruden, speaking in broad terms and not to any one play, has said sometimes in a game he will ask Callahan for his best run play in that situation. I imagine on crucial 3rd and 1s, Callahan has a say or may even get to pick the type of run play. Gruden decides to run it, Callahan decides what run to call.

Good for Gruden to not say it (if true) but I wouldnt be surprised Callahan called the run play to the right on that 3rd and 1.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Looks like our group is about 50/50 on sending Gruden to the pit of misery or not.

I can see the other side, but he just hasn't shown me he can manage a game correctly in big time situations. And that trust is gone. Don't want to waste another season to see if he magically figures it out.

I was all for keeping him until Sunday. That was it for me. If we had a better coach we win that game.

[metalskins]

Unless we're able to pluck Jim Harbaugh from Michigan, I don't know who would be available to coach the Redskins next year that's going to have the magic beans you guys are hoping this next coach possesses.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Unless we're able to pluck Jim Harbaugh from Michigan, I don't know who would be available to coach the Redskins next year that's going to have the magic beans you guys are hoping this next coach possesses.

Every great coach that ever was came up the ranks somewhere. Just because his last name isn’t a big one doesn’t mean diddly. Everyone thought Pederson was a lame hire, and he has the Birds flying real high.
The next coach might be a skidmark. He also may be great but Gruden is definitely not holding the magic beans. So how long do you wait before you spin the wheel again? Gruden has been here for a while now, and i am hard pressed to think of one big game that any of his teams have won.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Every great coach that ever was came up the ranks somewhere. Just because his last name isn’t a big one doesn’t mean diddly. Everyone thought Pederson was a lame hire, and he has the Birds flying real high.
The next coach might be a skidmark. He also may be great but Gruden is definitely not holding the magic beans. So how long do you wait before you spin the wheel again? Gruden has been here for a while now, and i am hard pressed to think of one big game that any of his teams have won.

Gruden has been here 4 years. Year one he inherited a team that went 4-12, and we have had a "winning record" since. This year we should finish either 9-7 or 10-6. That's pretty good in the NFL today. And I think we have seen lots of young talent stepping up in the heat of the games.

He may turn out to be a perennial 9-7 guy, but all it takes is a light switch or two going on and he could be a lot better.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I was all for keeping him until Sunday. That was it for me. If we had a better coach we win that game.

Sometimes that type of loss can be a turning point for a coach/player even in life in general. Maybe it will fire him up and open his eyes a little. Maybe not, but he seems like a smart enough cookie that it just might.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Unless we're able to pluck Jim Harbaugh from Michigan, I don't know who would be available to coach the Redskins next year that's going to have the magic beans you guys are hoping this next coach possesses.

Look what the 49ers were before he got there, and look where they are since he left. Plus Mich got better right when he got there. He'd be my first call.

[Irrefutable]

FWIW

Roullier is out vs the Giants..... he just had hand surgery - gone for a couple weeks