Ron Rivera

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by punch it in

But….we might see enough in Howell over 12 games to know we do not need to spend a top 3 pick on a quarterback. It isn’t like we couldn’t use that pick on thevo line or secondary.

I just don’t see the point of letting Howell sit? What is he going to do lose? Guess what we do that with or without him. This season isn’t hanging in the balance. It is gone, done, finished as far as the post season is concerned.
Are we going to ruin his psyche? I mean if the plan is draft a quarterback high next year and make Howell a backup then we are sitting our future backup to protect him? That is a luxury most teams don’t worry about even if they can afford to. We can’t afford to. Nor should we worry about it. Best case scenario is play Howell, like what we see, and spend our top pick on protection or a shutdown corner. To know we have the guy, which is possible over 12 games, and spend those picks to solidify our team is the quickest way to fixing this. If we aren’t sure after 12 games then so be it - we take a top qb and see what happens. But protecting a guy you consider to be a backup is not an option.

Playing a rookie isn’t mishandling him HTTR, trading one away instead of paying him or playing him on a broken leg - that is mishandling him. Pats did it, bears did it, steelers are doing it. Lots of other more successful teams do it and have done it - unless Brady, or Rodgers, or Montana are at the helm. We don’t have that problem. Lol

Ideal situation:

- Howell is a keeper.
- Draft a LT to protect him for the next 5-10 years.
- Let Leno and Cosmi battle it out for RT. Loser starts at one of the G spots and/or becomes the swing tackle.
- Spend all other picks on OL, secondary, LB.

[skinsfaninok]

The media is calling Ron out big time over the Wentz bashing. They all see now that he's trying to use everyone as scapegoats

[BaltimoreSkins]

It is like he is trying to get fired. F it I say if he is miserable make him coach out his contract. Misery loves company and I can outlast his ineptitude.

[njant]

are we the worse team in the league ? if we have any chance of having a half way decent season we must win thursday night or its over already.R.R hand picked the players and coaches this is all on him simple as that i don,t even know if mayhew could fire him even if he wanted too i believe ron as cart blache over eveyone but snyder, dan won,t fire him he is trying to stat out of spotlight this year and next but after that then i say he would its going to be another long 2 seasons with this shit show

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by njant

are we the worse team in the league ? if we have any chance of having a half way decent season we must win thursday night or its over already.R.R hand picked the players and coaches this is all on him simple as that i don,t even know if mayhew could fire him even if he wanted too i believe ron as cart blache over eveyone but snyder, dan won,t fire him he is trying to stat out of spotlight this year and next but after that then i say he would its going to be another long 2 seasons with this shit show

I think it’s between us and the Raiders. But at least none of our players have pushed down a camera man yet.


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[EdmundDorf]

Howell isn't going to make the OL better. No point in putting him in until Cosmi, Larsen and Schweitzer are all back and you have benched Norwell.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by EdmundDorf

Howell isn't going to make the OL better. No point in putting him in until Cosmi, Larsen and Schweitzer are all back and you have benched Norwell.

He is much more mobile then wentz and probably doesn’t hold the ball for 7 seconds. He will make it better. Optical illusion or not. Lol

[njant]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think it’s between us and the Raiders. But at least none of our players have pushed down a camera man yet.


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the clown of a coach the raiders have might be worse then are head coach,that,s even more pathetic

[HTTR]

[/QUOTE]Howell might have "it" but you aren't gonna find out if a rookie 5th round qb has "it" 5 games into his rookie season. That's a guy that is going to take multiple seasons to learn and develop. And we're wasting his rookie year on a lame duck head coach - best case scenario next year he has to learn another new system.[/QUOTE]

I agree. We have a long history of mishandling young qb’s and other top prospects. Forget this year. We’ve got to try to get back to a player drafting and development process that isn’t driven by desperation and FO/coaching turnover. Plus whatever Wentz’s problems, play-calling, clock mismanagement and piss-poor OL development are reducing his potential effectiveness by at least 20%.

[SunnySide]

Howell is a 5th rounder who looked decent in pre season.

Most 5th rounders look decent in the pre season going against soon-to-be grocery store employees and vanilla defenses.

Wentz will be injured soon enough and Heinike will come in, give us a spark for a few games. Maybe Howell comes in last few weeks .. after hes had a few weeks prepping as the no. 2.

Howell talk 5 games in is unrealistic imo.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Howell is a 5th rounder who looked decent in pre season.

Most 5th rounders look decent in the pre season going against soon-to-be grocery store employees and vanilla defenses.

Wentz will be injured soon enough and Heinike will come in, give us a spark for a few games. Maybe Howell comes in last few weeks .. after hes had a few weeks prepping as the no. 2.

Howell talk 5 games in is unrealistic imo.

Happens all the time though.
Bailey Zappe looks ok. There are a long listvof guys drafted after the third round that have started their rookie seasons. Many have found success.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Happens all the time though.
Bailey Zappe looks ok. There are a long listvof guys drafted after the third round that have started their rookie seasons. Many have found success.

I have to disagree about Zappe. He looks like a late round pick that is going to manage a game and throw on third and long or on prescribed short routes. There is nothing wrong with that Bill is a great coach and will maximize that to its highest potential.

If we had a Bill coach I would, without equivocations, want Howell to start because from what I have seen of him he can do what Zappe is doing but I wouldn't trust him with much else.

I am torn about starting him. Regardless of how he performs I still think we take a QB with the one, but I think starting him buys more time for Ron. The people that would fire him are dumb enough to buy the excuses he will create by starting him. The flip side is you have to see what he can do against defensive players that are currently not working at Del taco or the Apple genius bar so hee needs to play in a regular season game.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I have to disagree about Zappe. He looks like a late round pick that is going to manage a game and throw on third and long or on prescribed short routes. There is nothing wrong with that Bill is a great coach and will maximize that to its highest potential.

If we had a Bill coach I would, without equivocations, want Howell to start because from what I have seen of him he can do what Zappe is doing but I wouldn't trust him with much else.

I am torn about starting him. Regardless of how he performs I still think we take a QB with the one, but I think starting him buys more time for Ron. The people that would fire him are dumb enough to buy the excuses he will create by starting him. The flip side is you have to see what he can do against defensive players that are currently not working at Del taco or the Apple genius bar so hee needs to play in a regular season game.

Point taken about our staff. We would fuck up Josh Allen, that being said Ron is a dead man walking. Leaving him out of the equation I need to see what we got with Howell. Zappe was just an example of a late round pick playing his rookie season. Like I said there are others. Hopefully Ron is thinking about the team and its future, like an adult, and not about buying himself time. Even if he is Wentz aint cutting it and Taylor is who Taylor is. You plug Howell in - an RR draftpick - and he plays well - well then you have bought yourself some time …. Maybe.
I would hate to take a qb with the one and find out Howell is a gamer. Best case scenario Howell is the guy and we take lb, lt, or cb with the 1. If there was ever a time to find out it is this season- not only do we stink but the usual hope we win a weak division isn’t an option. This season is over. Play the kid.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Happens all the time though.
Bailey Zappe looks ok. There are a long listvof guys drafted after the third round that have started their rookie seasons. Many have found success.

Such as?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Such as?

There is ah , then also you know and oh oh don’t forget about that other guy. I could go on all day.