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View Poll Results: Who do you blame for the CBA mess? | |||
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24 | 26.67% |
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24 | 26.67% |
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42 | 46.67% |
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Re: Ongoing CBA discussions
I know I come off as being cynical, but the bottom line is money for both sides, as well as the future of the NFL. With the economy in the tank and the dollar in doubt, a lockout would give the fans an extra incentive to take a hike. If the dollar does take a dive, the last thing folks are going to be worrying about is the NFL. And if they do lockout, any diehard fan is going to be very hardpressed to justify spending a dime on the NFL.
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Re: Ongoing CBA discussions
Ever since the NFL became certified it has always been my belief the "fan" should in some way have a seat at the negotiating table.
Public ownership of teams is an issue I don't see gaining much traction. Brian Frederick: Fans' List of Demands for New NFL Labor Agreement
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Re: Ongoing CBA discussions
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Not coincidentally, franchise values also continue to rise. Located in a city of just 102,000 people, the Packers have an estimated worth of $1 billion.
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Re: Ongoing CBA discussions
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Re: Ongoing CBA discussions
Funny thing about those financial bubbles - they are far easier to see in hindsight.
The ongoing NFL-NFLPA dispute is simple really. The owners overspent on unnecessary stadiums, and now they want the players to work more for less pay to help pay down the debt. That's your entire labor dispute in one sentence. The NFL produces three things: stadium debt, intellectual property, and bureaucracy. None of these things should be confused with "free market" values. The league is a prime example of what happens when you mix politically influential egos with easy credit and a media environment that largely promotes economic ignorance. You have the perfect boom business. But the networks face their own economic challenges, and unless you can guarantee that Fox, ESPN, CBS, et al., will be stronger in the future than they are now, then you can't say with any confidence the NFL will survive and thrive indefinitely. The league is built on consumption, and when you adopt that model, eventually you'll eat yourself out of your $1.3 billion house and home. Found this from Forbes. The Most Valuable Teams In Sports - Forbes.com
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Re: Ongoing CBA discussions
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Albert Breer Filed to NFL.com: Confirming that International Investment Bank has been retained by the NFLPA to review any financials released by NFL. Additionally, according to a source, NFL has not released any additional financial info yet. This, for the PA, is to be ready for that. ... ... And on top of that, an auditor who the union has used for years arrived at the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service at 3 p.m. 3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply One would hope that this means that the NFL and PA have agreed on some way of "opening the books" |
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Re: Ongoing CBA discussions
or not:
AlbertBreer Fujita on financials: "What's shared with us is not sufficient. It's more or less just a snapshot." Bank helps players use info they DO have 1 minute ago Even if I agreed with the players about the books, which I don't, I see a lot of "attitude" in this quote that irritates me. I still can't for the life of me understand why they can't reach an agreement along these lines: The PA gives the owners a list 10 teams that they'd like to see the books of. The owners select 5 of those and redact personal information so the books aren't team specific, and then give those books to PA's auditing firm. There just has to be a way to get around both sides fears... |
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Re: Ongoing CBA discussions
Can't help but think the owners are hiding something with this selective view of the financials. If you "need" a bigger piece of the pie, just open the books and prove it. The numbers don't lie. Why is that so hard to understand?
Impasse approaches regarding financial information | ProFootballTalk |
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Re: Ongoing CBA discussions
Andrew Brandt, who has quickly become a go to source of info for this dispute, was on Sirius with Peter King and Ross Tucker this morning. He had a very accurate answer when asked specifically why the owners wouldn't open the books.
(from my memory) He said that, basically, the books today show a healthy business, and that the owners argument is that IF the CBA as it was continued forward, than the books in 2014-5 would show a very different and very unhealthy league. He continued, saying, that the owners point of view is that they are trying to be pro-active in getting a working model, but if they open the books completely the PA would simply harp on the current state, and not look to the future state [when put in this context Jerry Richardson's outburst about the P/L statements and ratios makes more sense]. Peter King pressed ABrandt about if it was possible that some teams were simply trying to hide 50-60 million dollars, and ABrandt simply said yes. |
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Re: Ongoing CBA discussions
Seems like owners are trying to bring in level headed owners to get something done. Mara yesterday, today Rooney from the Steelers.
Man, regardless of side, I hope they get this thing done! |
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Re: Ongoing CBA discussions
Latest update on the CBA talks now in a critical, and perilous, state.
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Re: Ongoing CBA discussions
Two good articles on the "Show us the books" issue.
Show us (more of) your books! | National Football Post by Andrew Brandt and NFL.com news: Union wants more financial information than NFL has offered by Albert Breer From Breer's article Quote:
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