Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?

[skinsfaninok]

^ KO would be better than any pick we would get for AH

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

^ KO would be better than any pick we would get for AH

Id take a dirty diaper for big AL. They both have similar qualities.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Id take a dirty diaper for big AL. They both have similar qualities.

I'd rather take Kyle Orton.

[Son Of Man]

I'll pass on Orton, he may cost picks in next year's draft. Maybe Rosenfels will be available, he has experience in the Houston offense.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

I'll pass on Orton, he may cost picks in next year's draft. Maybe Rosenfels will be available, he has experience in the Houston offense.

Well then you just sign Grossman. Still, it seems that Denver may be a trade partner when it comes to Haynesworth. I know the guy is a POS, but if another team wants to give something up for him, hey that's good for our team (small victory).

[skinsfaninok]

Orton is regarded as the top QB available outside of Kolb , IF both even become available.

[skinsfaninok]

NFL.com news: Dozen-player draft haul didn't hit Redskins' biggest need

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

NFL.com news: Dozen-player draft haul didn't hit Redskins' biggest need

Before people jump down their throats remember they might be right. With the exception of 2005 and 2007 every analyst has been right in being critical of the Redskins since this site opened in 2004. I loved the draft class but I also realize I might be blinded from one to many shots of kool aid.

Sure Beck could succeed and fulfill his potential but relying on him (assuming we do) could be just as stupid as drafting 3 pass catchers in 2008 during the second round.

Either way we're still just fans and only have minimal influence (at least in the short term) on the teams decisions so at least in the short term the only thing we can really do is go with the flow.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'd rather take Kyle Orton.

Orton,Grossman, Kolb, = Apples to Apples to Apples.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Before people jump down their throats remember they might be right. With the exception of 2005 and 2007 every analyst has been right in being critical of the Redskins since this site opened in 2004. I loved the draft class but I also realize I might be blinded from one to many shots of kool aid.

Sure Beck could succeed and fulfill his potential but relying on him (assuming we do) could be just as stupid as drafting 3 pass catchers in 2008 during the second round.

Either way we're still just fans and only have minimal influence (at least in the short term) on the teams decisions so at least in the short term the only thing we can really do is go with the flow.

Criticism and bewilderment continues to surface as to why the Redskins chose not to select a QB when they had a choice between both Gabbert and Ponder during the process and either was available at the time of their choosing.

The writer here makes a case for the fact that we won't know until the career's of the two begin to take shape and their success or failure are realized by their respective teams. However, regardless of their end results [whatever they may be] there's no guarantee it would necessarily have translated to the Redskins.

Tandler: Choices not made could define Skins' draft

It's become painfully obvious the relationship with Donovan McNabb and the team cannot be reconciled. John Beck is the only other QB on the roster under contract though no one really believes it's Shanahan's true intention to start the season with him at the controls. However, when Shanahan cntinues to make statements like this [Q] “Let me say, when John Beck did come out, I had him rated as the top quarterback coming out that year, and I didn’t even think it was close...I had a lot of confidence in John Beck when he came out in 2007. I evaluate the quarterbacks every year, and I do have confidence in John Beck. He was by far my No. 1 guy. I think the world of him.” [U]

He goes on further to say [Q] " I evaluated him throughout his pro career and collegiate career, so I know him quite well...And when you see a guy practice every day, whether it’s your system or against the defense, surely you can see his strengths and his weaknesses. As I mentioned, I told you what I thought about him in college, and he has not disappointed me since he’s been here" [U] Nowhere in his praise for beck does he make a clear-cut case proclaiming him to be the Redskins starting QB to begin the 2011 season.

For those fans who believe every word that proceeds out of the mouth of coach Shanahan, statements like these are causing both uneasiness and great concern to say the least. Many however do not put a great deal of faith in his praise, nor are they so absorbed by it that they don't believe he has a plan.

[#56fanatic]

I honestly dont believe how everyone can be jumping on McNabb, blaming him for the continued struggle of the QB position in Washington. The common denominator in ALL of QB struggles over the past 8 years has been an ignored offensive line. I would love McNabb to be back in a Redskins uniform next year. He is still a good QB and we can win games with him and in my opinion go deep into the playoffs with him. Anyone can see the offensive line is and has been the reason for our struggles offensively over the years. If we address the line and get it to a "good" rating, McNabb would do wonders here. If Torain can stay healthy, if Jamaal Brown can come into camp healthy, Lickensteigher (SP) is going to be decent, not sure about right guard or center, but damn we should be competative with McNabb at QB.

Side note, Capers, the kid from WVU, should be watched this year. He played in a zone blocking system at WVU where the lineman have to be athletic and able to move north and south as well as east and west. He could be moved to guard and has good size, power and was pretty athletic for a big guy. Will Montgomery should compete for the center position this year, and let rabach be a back up. I just dont think he has the power to defend against these big ass DT in the league anymore.

John Beck??? I dont give a rats ass who is a QB as long as we are winning games. They could bring in Brady Quinn for all I care, as long as we are winning games, i really dont care. Have a feeling though, Sexy Rexy will be back and will probably be our started next year. Which, honestly dont have an issue with. He knows the offense, can throw the ball pretty well, and if we get the offense working, shouldnt be throwing it more that 25 times a game.

[MTK]

McNabb is done here. Last year wasn't all his fault, but he shouldn't go without some blame too.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

McNabb is done here. Last year wasn't all his fault, but he shouldn't go without some blame too.

Not saying he doesn't deserve some blame. Some of his pics were bad throws, but majority of them were either tipped by the receivers, or piss poor routes (galloway stands out). He was sacked or hurried as much or more than any QB in the leauge. I agree he is done here, but I dont think it is or should be based on his performance being horrible. I just hope who ever is under center has better protection and a better run game that last year. Torain really ran the ball well last year, problem was he was injured too much.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Before people jump down their throats remember they might be right. With the exception of 2005 and 2007 every analyst has been right in being critical of the Redskins since this site opened in 2004. I loved the draft class but I also realize I might be blinded from one to many shots of kool aid.

Sure Beck could succeed and fulfill his potential but relying on him (assuming we do) could be just as stupid as drafting 3 pass catchers in 2008 during the second round.

Either way we're still just fans and only have minimal influence (at least in the short term) on the teams decisions so at least in the short term the only thing we can really do is go with the flow.

To me it depends on how the criticism is couched:

a) some analysts have argued, "Who will play QB in 2011?," and downgraded us. That seems like poor criticism. No one in this year's class, it seems, should be an immediate starter, not even my boy Ponder. There just was no Ryan or Bradford in this year's class. So when critics slam us essentially for not picking an immediate QB starter, I think they are off base.

b) conversely, some analysts like Kiper have argued that we failed to take care of the future of our QB situation. These critics appear to be correct.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

This was a very weak QB class to begin with - the same analysts who criticize us for NOT drafting a QB are also criticizing other teams for reaching for QBs too early in the draft. If we had reached for one ourselves, they would be criticizing us for that. These "analysts" get paid for offering an analysis and its far easier to criticize a situation on the suface than it is to actually devle deeper and do a realistic assessment.

unless we used our #10 overall pick on a QB, we likely would not have found a QB who could start and perform better than Grossman/Beck within the next 3 years.

Your wife may say she wants you to get some steak at the grocery store, but if there are only 3 steaks left and they all are expired and putrid, you would be stupid to buy a steak. you know the store is going to get fresh meat in tomorrow, and there will be some good steaks. tonight, you can get the chicken thats buy-one-get one free. tomorrow you can go back to the store to get your wife her steak.

That's what we've done here. This team has too many needs to be fixed in one off-season. Its going to take several years so we might as well replinish our team with the best players we can get at the positions (plural) of need in any given year. next year, hopefully we will have less needs and we can then justify reaching for one particular need if necessary.